Is the Pope infallible..?

[stevehut]

"For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained.

[EricH]

If your intent is the latter, then present yourself in a way that people will actually want to respond to.

Probably good advise for everyone

[jc49]

If your intent is the latter, then present yourself in a way that people will actually want to respond to.

Probably good advise for everyone

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Guess what?

I really think I am going to leave those worthy boards for ever because there is not freedom of expression and a lot of hot air.

So peace everybody,enjoy the dances bye

[Pax]

The Plain Truth about

the Roman Catholic Church

. SPRINKLED PAGANISM is about the best definition for Roman Catholicism.

I:

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I don't mean to sound as though I am better than anyone on this site, but when I get called a Pagan I tend to get a little more assertive. Most all of you are Evangelical Christians, and I would never call you pagens. You are Christians as I am, but we have a different understanding. I do however think that I know something about what the Catholic Church teaches, and unfortunantly many of you don't have your facts straight. And often times you copy and paste anti-Catholic literature that simply isn't right. When I say that I am going to enlighen you , I am simply saying that I will tell you what the church really teaches. Steve, you bring up this idea that evolving means that something must completely change. That clearly isn't the case. The Church teaches that we couldn't know everything all at once, so we have deepened our knowledge and broadened this over time, but the original doctrine has stayed the same. The case of salvation through the Catholic Church is such a case. We have always stuck to the doctrine of only salvation through the Catholic Church, but our understanding of this has broadened. So there is a chance for a Baptist or Methodist or Evangelican to obtain salvation, but this will be through the Catholic Church (Universal ONE Church). Like I have said before I don't think I am better than any of you, my goal is to tell you what the Catholic church really teaches and why.

[EricH]

If your intent is the latter, then present yourself in a way that people will actually want to respond to.

Probably good advise for everyone

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Guess what?

I really think I am going to leave those worthy boards for ever because there is not freedom of expression and a lot of hot air.

So peace everybody,enjoy the dances bye

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JC,

My response was not directed at you in any way. I meant that literally. That everyone, including the original poster, should take this advise

[EricH]

The Plain Truth about

the Roman Catholic Church

. SPRINKLED PAGANISM is about the best definition for Roman Catholicism.

I:

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I don't mean to sound as though I am better than anyone on this site, but when I get called a Pagan I tend to get a little more assertive. Most all of you are Evangelical Christians, and I would never call you pagens. You are Christians as I am, but we have a different understanding. I do however think that I know something about what the Catholic Church teaches, and unfortunantly many of you don't have your facts straight. And often times you copy and paste anti-Catholic literature that simply isn't right. When I say that I am going to enlighen you , I am simply saying that I will tell you what the church really teaches. Steve, you bring up this idea that evolving means that something must completely change. That clearly isn't the case. The Church teaches that we couldn't know everything all at once, so we have deepened our knowledge and broadened this over time, but the original doctrine has stayed the same. The case of salvation through the Catholic Church is such a case. We have always stuck to the doctrine of only salvation through the Catholic Church, but our understanding of this has broadened. So there is a chance for a Baptist or Methodist or Evangelican to obtain salvation, but this will be through the Catholic Church (Universal ONE Church). Like I have said before I don't think I am better than any of you, my goal is to tell you what the Catholic church really teaches and why.

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But then Pax you will use terms like "lies of the Devil" in describing our positions. That will raise some hackles around here

[EricH]

Here is a reponse I placed on the idols thread that may have some pertinence here. Maybe not.

I think there is a disconnect here. What I am hearing from my Catholic friends is that they are not bowing to the image, they are bowing to the spiritual reality behind the image. We as evangelicals have a hard time with that. The image reminds them of a spritual truth. If we as evangelicals think we don't have these types of things, we are blind. Try removing the cross from your sanctuary and see what happens.

The way I see it, this is not unlike the phylacteries our Jewish friends used to carry with them and place near their doors. They would frequently kiss them as a sign of reverence. The were not revering the paper, but the reality the paper represented.

This is one area where I think we could learn, at least to some degree from our Catholic friends. I think many of us in Evangelical circles have lost some of the mystery and otherness of God in our worship. He is just our buddy. We are missing the trancendance of God. The beauty I have seen in some Catholic churchs can certainly enhance that.

Now are there Cathilocs who do this mindlessly? Sure. There are also evangelicals who do things mindlessly. As I have been thinking the last few days about these discussions, it occurs to me that when we protestants think of Catholics, we think of the ones that are the worst possible examples. Catholics do the same regarding protestants.

Example: in the discussions Pax and I have had regarding how we can be saved, I will always point to Catholics who trust in ritual to save them. Pax would point to protestants who live sinfully and trust in faith to save them. Both are extremes within our traditions.

I guess what I am saying (and I am as guilty of this as the next guy) is we need to make sure we are hearing what the person is really saying, and not set up some straw man we can easily knock down.

I have started watching Fr. John Corapi on EWTN so I make sure I understand what Catholics really believe and the underlying reasons for their beliefs. That way when I do disagree, I understand what I am disagreeing with.

Now go ahead and fire away

[jc49]

If your intent is the latter, then present yourself in a way that people will actually want to respond to.

Probably good advise for everyone

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Guess what?

I really think I am going to leave those worthy boards for ever because there is not freedom of expression and a lot of hot air.

So peace everybody,enjoy the dances bye

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JC,

My response was not directed at you in any way. I meant that literally. That everyone, including the original poster, should take this advise

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[/quotThanks brother< i have received your PM but I wasn't able to answer back,thanks anyway,yesterday I had a " bad day"

Shalom

[Pax]

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I have started watching Fr. John Corapi on EWTN so I make sure I understand what Catholics really believe and the underlying reasons for their beliefs. That way when I do disagree, I understand what I am disagreeing with.

Now go ahead and fire away

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Eric,

I would agree with you , at times each of us think of the worst examples of people from each denomination. But I know many good Protestants. All of family, including my mother, father, and brother are Baptist. I of course respect them tremendously. I am also happy to hear that you are watching Fr. Corapi on EWTN. You will hear true orthodox Catholicism from him. He also has great story.

[EricH]

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I have started watching Fr. John Corapi on EWTN so I make sure I understand what Catholics really believe and the underlying reasons for their beliefs. That way when I do disagree, I understand what I am disagreeing with.

Now go ahead and fire away

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Eric,

I would agree with you , at times each of us think of the worst examples of people from each denomination. But I know many good Protestants. All of family, including my mother, father, and brother are Baptist. I of course respect them tremendously. I am also happy to hear that you are watching Fr. Corapi on EWTN. You will hear true orthodox Catholicism from him. He also has great story.

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His stroy is really remarkable. From drug abuse, riches and assiciating with the rich and famous to serving God. Wonderful story