Ogner Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2018 He gave fish to people, to eat when they were hungry. Why not meat? Maybe because he didn't eat meat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Who knows if he actually ate meat or not? But he didn't disapprove of anyone eating meat. He knew that the people kept flocks of livestock, which presumably weren't kept for anything else other than food (unless some Jews liked having lots of pets!). He also attended wedding feasts where meat was on the menu. Unless he said to the host "no thanks I'm on a diet" and ate nothing at all, or said "no thanks I'm vegetarian" and ate everything but meat, then we can only assume that he was a meat-eater. But we can't say for certain either way! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisFirst Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 21 Topic Count: 315 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 3,491 Content Per Day: 1.26 Reputation: 2,582 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/25/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2018 Hi Ogner Lamb was eaten at Passover I'm sure. Jesus observed the Passover feast, so I presume He ate meat. re: fish - fish could be preserved (salted/dried etc), so was used as a travelling food item - hence the fish was easily on hand when feeding the masses. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 29 minutes ago, OakWood said: Who knows if he actually ate meat or not? But he didn't disapprove of anyone eating meat. He knew that the people kept flocks of livestock, which presumably weren't kept for anything else other than food (unless some Jews liked having lots of pets!). He also attended wedding feasts where meat was on the menu. Unless he said to the host "no thanks I'm on a diet" and ate nothing at all, or said "no thanks I'm vegetarian" and ate everything but meat, then we can only assume that he was a meat-eater. But we can't say for certain either way! Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. John 21:12-13 Why not meat? for example ovine meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisFirst Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 21 Topic Count: 315 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 3,491 Content Per Day: 1.26 Reputation: 2,582 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/25/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ogner said: Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. John 21:12-13 Why not meat? for example ovine meat. Hi Ogner, They were on the shore, so fish was on hand. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, HisFirst said: Hi Ogner Lamb was eaten at Passover I'm sure. 1) Jesus observed the Passover feast, so I presume He ate meat. 2)re: fish - fish could be preserved (salted/dried etc), so was used as a travelling food item - hence the fish was easily on hand when feeding the masses. 1) Can you prove that? 2) meat - meat could be preserved too (salted/dried etc), so was used as a travelling food item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, HisFirst said: Hi Ogner, They were on the shore, so fish was on hand. Right Jesus was on the shore. not at sea. But the important idea is that for God everything's at hand, everything's around. So, that tells me nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisFirst Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 21 Topic Count: 315 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 3,491 Content Per Day: 1.26 Reputation: 2,582 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/25/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, Ogner said: 1) Can you prove that? 2) meat - meat could be preserved too (salted/dried etc), so was used as a travelling food item. Prove it as in chapter/verse? No I can't - it's just my opinion I could very well be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisFirst Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 21 Topic Count: 315 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 3,491 Content Per Day: 1.26 Reputation: 2,582 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/25/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Ogner said: Right Jesus was on the shore. not at sea. But the important idea is that for God everything's at hand, everything's around. So, that tells me nothing. Yes, God can use anything, you are 100% - my rationale was simply that Jesus was next to the sea, so since fish was 'right there' so to speak, it was the first option (in my mind). I could be completely off base for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GandalfTheWise Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 24 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 2,377 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/23/2017 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Ogner said: He gave fish to people, to eat when they were hungry. Why not meat? Maybe because he didn't eat meat? 15 As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.” 16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.” 17 “We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” they answered. 18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children. Matt 14:15-21 NIV 32 Jesus called his disciples to him and said, “I have compassion for these people;they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way.” 33 His disciples answered, “Where could we get enough bread in this remote place to feed such a crowd?” 34 “How many loaves do you have?” Jesus asked. “Seven,” they replied, “and a few small fish.” 35 He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. 36 Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to the people. 37 They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 38 The number of those who ate was four thousand men, besides women and children. Matt 15:32-37 NIV 40 When he [Jesus] had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence. Luke 24:40-43 NIV The disciples carried around bread and fish to eat. Jesus multiplied what the disciples currently had in hand. After His resurrection, Jesus ate fish. One could also argue, why didn't Jesus give the crowd fruit and vegetables? apples? bananas? oranges? corn? rice? beef? poultry? God could surely have provided manna from heaven for the crowd or miraculously caused apple trees to grow. Was it because Jesus did not eat fruit, vegetables, apples, bananas, corn, rice, beef, poultry, etc.? Trying to produce an argument from silence in scripture is not convincing to most people. There are a few denominations that do not allow musical instruments of any sort in worship because there is no mention of Jesus, His disciples, or the early church having used musical instruments. Most Christians simply look at the OT (especially Psalms), see the musical instrument use in the OT, see that there are no prohibitions against musical instruments in the NT (nor any condemnation of musical instruments), and just use them in worship. My wife and daughter are vegan and I tend to eat what they do. I am supportive of attempts to eat more healthy as well as having a safer and more ethical food supply. However, attempts to paint Jesus as vegan, or vegetarian, or whatever, are not convincing to me. Is it possible that Jesus was vegan, or vegetarian, or whatever? It is possible though I think it unlikely. Given the nature of His relationship to His disciples, if he had not eaten meat (or observed other dietary practices not in keeping with the Law or ate things different from other people), the disciples would have done that as well and passed that on as something received from the Lord. The absence of any commands (other than related to sacrifices to idols and not offending Jews with issues of blood) seems to suggest the Christians are allowed to eat whatever the common food supply around them is. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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