angels4u Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: They can lose while they are not born of the Spirit. "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day." - John 6:39 That is why people turn away and do not return, they are not His sheep. And if they are not His, they will lose salvation. That is why they encourage people so much to stay in the faith, because the enemy will deceive those who are not His. "Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." - John 10:5 Why those who are His will not lose salvation?! "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." - John 10:27 1 Quote They can lose while they are not born of the Spirit. They don't lose anything if they didn't have the Holy Spirit in the first place,because they're unbelievers. Quote That is why people turn away and do not return, they are not His sheep. And if they are not His, they will lose salvation. Where turn the unbelievers away from? They're lost already . Quote Why those who are His will not lose salvation?! "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." - John 10:27 Amen the born again believers will always hear His voice and follow their Savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: God forgive me, in the name of the Lord Jesus. I just pray that your eyes are opened to the truth. Sorry! You're sorry for an unbeliever? Who is the unbeliever here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,190 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted March 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: God forgive me, in the name of the Lord Jesus. I just pray that your eyes are opened to the truth. Sorry! Sincerity is only found when one speaks Scripture as Scripture speaks.... false teachers are warned greatly in Scripture... Prayed... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, angels4u said: Where turn the unbelievers away from? They're lost already . Unbelievers who think they are believers. I am talking about deceived believers. 3 minutes ago, angels4u said: You're sorry for an unbeliever? Who is the unbeliever here? "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God" - Romans 8:16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: You have misunderstood some points. But in the way some of you think, even repentance can be counted as working to be saved. Some things you people have said let me sad. But who cares about me?! My conscience is clean as I am speaking with sincerity. I prefer to die than to say anything contrary to what the Lord taught me. Quote You have misunderstood some points. But in the way some of you think, even repentance can be counted as working to be saved. What are you saying???????? To turn and repent from sin is a work to stay saved?? Can you explain this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 Quote Unbelievers who think they are believers. I am talking about deceived believers. Where can they turn away from if their father is the devil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, angels4u said: What are you saying???????? To turn and repent from sin is a work to stay saved?? Can you explain this? Some people believe that repentance is just a superficial requirement for salvation. But God is not mocked, His Spirit will not dwell in a believer that is not repentant at the heart level. "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap." - Galatians 6:7 And to repent indeed, some people have to seek His forgiveness by praying, seeking, and turning for some time to be forgiven. "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance" - Luke 3:8 "if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land." - 2 Chronicles 7:14 The just shall live by faith, and seek God by faith. Faith to repent and seek is there because God gave it. But Satan works hard against repentance, and many people do not keep seeking. "Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him." - Hebrews 10:38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: Some people believe that repentance is just a superficial requirement for salvation. But God is not mocked, His Spirit will not dwell in a believer that is not repentant at the heart level. "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap." - Galatians 6:7 And to repent indeed, some people have to seek His forgiveness by praying, seeking, and turning for some time to be forgiven. "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance" - Luke 3:8 "if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land." - 2 Chronicles 7:14 The just shall live by faith, and seek God by faith. Faith to repent and seek is there because God gave it. But Satan works hard against repentance, and many people do not keep seeking. "Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him." - Hebrews 10:38 Quote Some people believe that repentance is just a superficial requirement for salvation Where turn those people away from ? The devil? Quote But God is not mocked, His Spirit will not dwell in a believer that is not repentant at the heart level. Repentant of what,where does it say that an unbeliever is a believer? Quote And to repent indeed, some people have to seek His forgiveness by praying, seeking, and turning for some time to be forgiven. I hope you're talking about unbelievers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, angels4u said: Where turn those people away from ? The devil? Yes. Only Jesus sheep, fully repentant and baptized by Him will be assured of never losing salvation. God knows the hearts, truly, all the hearts. "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled." - John 17:12 1 minute ago, angels4u said: Repentant of what,where does it say that an unbeliever is a believer? Their sins. A believer, as stated in the bible, is the one who believes and trust in Christ (till the end) and do what He says to do: Repent. Logically, when one repents he/she cannot go back and start loving to sin like we see some self proclaimed believers do. If anyone does not love the Lord above all that is in the world, including sin. Then the love of the Father (His Holy Spirit) is not in him. "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him." - 1 John 2:15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 Luke 18:10-14 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ 13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” Luke 18:11-12 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."Matthew 9:13 John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. James 4:6-8 6 But he gives us more grace. “God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble.”[a] 7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Are we humble or are we prideful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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