Wayne222 Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 477 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,560 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gideon said: So let me clarify here. Can a man willfully sin as long as he does not make it a practice? Blessings, Gideon What do you mean by willfully sin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.32 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted April 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Goldie said: I agree 100% most would have defended it . You loved goldie . just end it fast and pray for the other lady too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 477 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,560 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2018 Can a true christian willfully sin ? Yes he can. Can he not willfully sin yes he can not sin. John said if anyone sins we have advocate with the father jesus christ the righteous. John is refering to any sin. King David murder a man. He repented and was restored. I never murderd or commited adultry but if i did i could be restored to fellowship with God. Of course that is not permission to sin. I am talking about a fall. People who think they have a free right to sin are mistaken. God is looking to set free those in bodage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,435 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,525 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) Sanctification. What does it mean for the christian. Is is a one time act or a process that will be with the believer till he is no more on this earth. The spirit wars against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit. The enemy comes at the believer in many subtle ways at even the most pious believer. The Lord knows we have very powerful foes and also knows that we still have the flesh with us prone to the elements of the world. The lust of the flesh and the pride of life are humongous pitfalls that are set before the believer. Though we may dodge most of them, there are some that may get the better of us. The Lord knows we have weaknesses and have provided graces so that when we recognize we have sin, we can come with humility and seek repentance and seek his forgiveness . It is the process of sanctification is also one of the graces of a believer and one he will have till the Lord calls him home. Some try to keep perfection by counting beads, or saying repetitive words all day long. The Christian has been redeemed and in the process of sanctification, but we are to still fear the Lord and avoid the pitfalls set by the enemy and the rest that is set against the redeemed. We are also reminded to put on the full armor of God to shield us from the fiery darts. Yes and they keep coming . edit. The sentence in red should not be taken in the wrong way as i have not said it the way it should. What is meant there is we know many other sects, religion ect, try to keep perfection by counting beads and chanting words all day long, which is not what God wants from us. He wants us to come to him in our weakness and brokenness and cry out to him. Edited April 10, 2018 by warrior12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, Goldie said: Gideon, dear friend. I love your posts! You truly love God and want everyone to be true lovers of God. I applaud you. I read your words and am uplifted. Problem i have is that for 4 years now i have failed MASSIVELY. Sin has taken a strong hold on me. Adultery is that sin. But, i deeply love God! I have fallen many times but have immediately gotten up and repented! The devil may be winning MANY battles over me but i am determined that he will NOT win the war! Ok, i still sin. I am indeed weak. Plus, i have strong feelings for the other person in my life. How to escape? I guess i know but am finding it hard to let go. She is a wonderful person. She loves God so much too. I have continued to plead with God to help. But nothing! I know i am heading deep into the darkness, i know. 4 years of terrible sin. Gideon, your words are inspirational and thought provoking. I thank God for you and i hope that i can beat my deamons and become even a tiny bit like you brother. God bless you Your post was a gift for me, Goldie. Honesty and admission of struggle with sin is the first step in our freedom. Adultery is. Serious sin. I am not telling you anything you do not know. You are trapped in Romans 7 and you do not know how to escape the prison cell. Just like I was. And in your four years of struggle, what have you learned? Because my lesson was this. I cannot stop on my own... . ever. The sin is so enticing,so gripping, that the harder I try to stop, the more I want it. That brother is the classic battle that multitudes face. It really matters not if it is adultery we are talking about or porn or gossip. And here, please understand that adultery is a deep sin because it involves hurting another person, one we are in covenant with, so I am not making light of it, and I know you know it. But for the sake of argument, all sin we battle against in handled the same. So, what to do? Do we take the fruit whacking approach and try to prevent the tree from bearing bad fruit.? Good luck. I spent 38 years fighting porn and masturbaion and tried evrery fruit whacking method I could think of. I sold my computer, I got an accountability partner. I memorized scripture. I fasted once for 21 days, water only. I disciplined my flesh. I let go and let God, whatever that means, lol. And that is where God met me, still in sin,and out of answers, despairing of lifeI. I hated my sin. I loved my sin. And with the black dog and white dog battling inside me, with no peace.... ever... and no rest... and no joy... and a whole lot of guilt.... I simply could not stop feeding the black dog. But when God mercifully appeared to me that night eleven years ago, He told me that He knew all along that I could not walk the walk He had for me, but I had not yet known it. I love that word yet. That night I knew it. I was in agreement with God. I had finally come to the point where I had NO strength. As much as I wanted to stop, I could not. I needed a miracle. And God had one with my name on it. And Goldie, He has one for you as well. You see, the breaking of our self confidence is key. Do you remember what God’s counsel was to stop sinning. It has nothing to do with fighting the bad fruit. The ax must be laid to the root of the tree. And what is that root? Our old nature. What did Jesus tell us? Make your tree good. His job is the fruit. Our job is to make our tree good. So how do we do it? After agreeing with God in Romans 6 with our heads that we died when Christ died and we rose again when He rose again and that He made us new creatures, there is one last step, and it is a step that I was blind to for 38 years. I had never reckoned myself dead to sin. I had never put off my old nature by an act of desperate faith. So, even though I truly was a. new creatures just as you are, it profited is nothing, not being mixed with faith. You see, brother, we have to appropriate the truth of our new nature and make it OUR truth. You need to do not one thing if you are broken, tired of the guilt, tired of feeling God is a million miles away from you, and simply worn out from trying and failing..... again. Speak out the truth, whether you feel it or not. We do not receive it when we believe it hard enough. It already IS true, right now. You are already dead. Now... simply believe it, even of your faith is minuscule. It is just enough. This is life and death stuff, dear friend. If you would like, message me and we can actually talk. I want to help. do will not disappoint you and nothing will prevent Him from delivering you out of your situation.... nothing! Blessings, Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 37 minutes ago, Wayne222 said: What do you mean by willfully sin ? Choosing to sin with no battle at all inside. We simply ignore the corrections and discipline of the Holy Spirit and proceed on, trusting we can get forgiven later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 32 minutes ago, Yowm said: The wilfull sinning spoken of in Hebrews has nothing to do with the Christian's sinning. It had to do with those halt between two opinions due to the impending persecution of the Jews by their own. They were under pressure to revert back to Judaism, the sacrifices, the Priesthood and turn their backs on the ONLY true Sacrifice..Jesus. Their willful sin was spoken in Heb 6 where they had a knowledge of these things but were in danger of willfully turning their back in which there'd be no other means of forgiveness. Read Hebrews. 12 minutes ago, warrior12 said: Sanctification. What does it mean for the christian. Is is a one time act or a process that will be with the believer till he is no more on this earth. The spirit wars against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit. The enemy comes at the believer in many subtle ways that even the most pious believer. The Lord knows we have very powerful foes and also knows that we still have the flesh with us prone to the elements of the world. The lust of the flesh and the pride of life are humongous pitfalls that are set before the believer. Though we may dodge most of them, there are some that may get the better of us. The Lord knows we have weaknesses and have provided graces so that when we recognize we have sin, we can come with humility and seek repentance and seek his forgiveness . It is the process of sanctification is also one of the graces of a believer and one he will have till the Lord calls him home. Some try to keep perfection by counting beads, or saying repetitive words all day long. The Christian has been redeemed and in the process of sanctification, but we are to still fear the Lord and avoid the pitfalls set by the enemy and the rest that is set against the redeemed. We are also reminded to put on the full armor of God to shield us from the fiery darts. Yes and they keep coming . Heaven help us, Lord. You are actually serious? Who taught you that? Are you actually willing to risk your eternal soul on someone’s understanding of such a clear waning? All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for correction and instruction in righteousness. All. If we sin willfully, here is what happens. A layer of hardness is deposited over our heart, and another... and another. And slowly but surely, faith is choked out and dies, . And is replaced with a placebo .... head knowledge. And if one does not escape this most devious of traps, then on that final day, they will be one of the ones who will be shocked when Chist says “depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.”I am praying for you brother. but it is pointless we communicate further until you want help. This is scary dangerous. Prayerfully, Gideon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,435 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,525 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, Gideon said: Heaven help us, Lord. You are actually serious? Who taught you that? Are you actually willing to risk your eternal soul on someone’s understanding of such a clear waning? All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for correction and instruction in righteousness. All. If we sin willfully, here is what happens. A layer of hardness is deposited over our heart, and another... and another. And slowly but surely, faith is choked out and dies, . And is replaced with a placebo .... head knowledge. And if one does not escape this most devious of traps, then on that final day, they will be one of the ones who will be shocked when Chist says “depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.”I am praying for you brother. but it is pointless we communicate further until you want help. This is scary dangerous. Prayerfully, Gideon. Reality. I live in the real world. The heart, who knows it. Do you really know my relationship with the Lord. Who said anything about willful sin. Because your theory or your revelation or your transformation has kept you from total sin, it does not mean there are people who still struggle. Yes, we must avoid all sin, but show me the man who has that perfection . The next time you go to the closet, make sure you close the door tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, warrior12 said: Reality. I live in the real world. The heart, who knows it. Do you really know my relationship with the Lord. Who said anything about willful sin. Because your theory or your revelation or your transformation has kept you from total sin, it does not mean there are people who still struggle. Yes, we must avoid all sin, but show me the man who has that perfection . The next time you go to the closet, make sure you close the door tight. Warrior, I so apologize. Somehow I responded to another poster (Yown) and it included yours as well, so it looked like I as saying hard things to you. Please forgive me. It was totally unintentional. As a matter of fact, you have thoroughly impressed me with your words. Gids Edited April 9, 2018 by Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted April 9, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Yowm said: You need to read the Book of Hebrews! It is a full comparison between the two Covenants...that is where I was taught?.. Hebrews 10:26-29 KJVS [26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Brother, I will leave you then to your inderstanding of things. I do ask that you do not respond to my posts. Thanks in advance. Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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