Where did Universe come from? - intresting answer to imporant question!

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On ‎4‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 7:02 AM, eugenelester said:

ok, theme of topic, how I see, lost.

Christian apologetics (Greek: ἀπολογία, "verbal defence, speech in defence")[1] is a branch of Christian theology that aims to present historical, reasoned, and evidential bases for Christianity, defending it against objections.[2] (Wikipedia)

Please answer to simple question: how did you know that exactly Bible it word from God, why not other book, why not Koran for example?

And other question: how did you know, that God really exist?

The bible proves itself - and the holy spirit quickens.

An analogy: A guy gives me a book without a cover and claims it is a repair manual for my 1960 John Deere Tractor. Should I believe him? Well, I followed its instructions on replacing the water pump and removing the gas tank and it precisely told me the absolute correct things to do. The result was my tractor is running strong now. i.e. the book proved itself.

The bible does that for me on a daily basis. Oh, and I now have, over the last38 years, four bonafide miracles in my life, not including the answers to prayer that were not "miraculous".

Those with faith in Jesus have faith, but it is not blind faith. He has proven himself.

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On ‎4‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 9:08 PM, ytLiJC said:

 

some things are indefinitely existing/present throughout the time's infinity, including the "Light"(the true God), the "darkness"(the wicked one), the souls and the primordial substance (called "water(s)" in the Bible), time as constantly passing, the universe as an infinitely large place and the truth

Blessings

Funny you mention light. We are surrounded by photons. This includes every cubic inch of the "emptiness" of space for billions upon billions of light years. And this is just the "known" universe, which is constantly expanding. We are not even aware if its existence until we experience the affects of electromagnetic waves in this substance that come across as visible light (among other things). It is for all of creation like water is for a fish. Sometimes I wonder if it is the manifestation of God, himself, in creation in non-physical form. Just thinking out loud on that one.

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11 hours ago, Yowm said:

The Bible uses anthropomorphisms in describing the traits of God. Essentally God is spirit (John 4) i.e. He does not really have wings or feathers

He will cover you with his pinions, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness is a shield and buckler.
(Psa 91:4)
 

https://www.gotquestions.org/anthropomorphism.html

 

We are exact replicas of God only mortal. God said, "And God said, Let us make man in our
image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen. 1:26).



I believe what read in God's Word, teaches us that God has a body with bodily
parts, hands, feet, eyes, head, mouth, hair, that He speaks, listenes, has a
heart, eats food etc. I have listed many Scriptures which shows this and many
more can be found. Many catholics I have spoken with regarding these Scriptures
do not believe them because it is contrary to their belief that God can be
reduced to a sliver of bread and held in a monstrance or tabernacle.



God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds
of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate,
eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent,
invisible, impartial, immortal, absolutely holy, full of wisdom, full of
knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two
hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a
body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32;
Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1,
5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form
(Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which
refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6;
Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; Jas.
3:9; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6).



He has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21);
hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7);
Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips
and tongue (Isa. 30:27; feet
(Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10);
eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24;
33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head,
hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins
(Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22;
Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7;
Exodus 24:10-11);
and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.



God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5;
18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God
is omnipresent but not omni body, that is His presence can be felt everywhere
but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).



There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible,
immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and passions except John 4:24,
"God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is
without a body.



Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being
"Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44),
like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil.
3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and
tangible, then certainly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and
still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a
statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a
spirit.

 

Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He
created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit
being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God
took the dirt of the ground and molded the shape and form of man from it to
resemble the image or shape of very GOD.



God first revealed Himself in a mighty way to Moses from the burning bush. From
that time on the Eternal and Moses were friends with a "buddy-buddy"
relationship. This relationship between the Lord and Moses was so personal that
it is recorded, "And the Lord spoke unto Moses FACE to FACE, as a man
speaks unto a friend...."(Ex.33:11). Now our "no body" for God
teachers will say either this is just a metaphor or God appeared as a human,
but when in the "spirit" He has no body or face. Of course that is
the answer they will give to any section of scripture where God appeared to
men. But there was a time when God appeared to Moses IN THE SPIRIT FORM - the
Lord opening up his eyes to see Himself in the spirit dimension, that the human
eye can not

usually see, Read the example of the servant of Elisha in 2 Kings 6.



So close a relationship did Moses have with God that Moses was so bold as to
ask the Lord to show Himself to him, not as a human but as He really IS. Moses'
request is found in Exodus 33:18.
Notice the reply from the Eternal: "....You can not SEE MY FACE; for no
man can see me and

live."(verse 20). God did not say to Moses that He did not have a body and
so did not have a face and so could not show Himself in the spirit form as
having a shape. To the CONTRARY, the answer to Moses SHOWS CLEARLY GOD DOES
HAVE A FACE AND BODY! He told Moses that no man could look upon the face of God
in spirit form and live. How simpler can the word of God be in this matter? No
theological degree needed to understand this verse, just believe it for what it
says. In Exodus 33 18, Moses asked God to show him His Glory. "And he
said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory." And God said to Moses; "I
will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the
Lord before thee; etc. God also said to Moses, "Thou canst not see my
face; for there shall no man see me and live." Exodus 33:18-20.



Moses asked to see God's glory as expressed in His face or countenance, not to
see His face apart from His glory. That Moses could have seen God's literal
face is clearly stated in verse 11, where it says, "And the Lord spake
unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh unto his friend, and that he had seen
Gods glory in a limited sense is clear from Exodus 16:10; and 24:17; so the
request was for something he had not uet seen. Many others have also seen Gods
face and spirit body apart from the glory of God.



Regarding the impossibility of man beholding the face of God when He
"dwells in a light whom no man has seen nor can see" (1 Tim. 6:16,
Moses became an example of this himself when his face could not be looked upon
by the people, Israel, because of its brightness (Exodus 34:29-35; and 2 Cor.
3:6-18). God showed Moses His glory as expressed in His back parts, or the
glorious after effects and glimpse of the glory after it had passed by (Verse
20-23). God gave Moses a further revelation of His character and infinate
nature in, (Verse 19). The Hebrew word for goodness is "tuwb,"
superlative good; the best of a person; and absolute beauty. This referes to
the infinate beauty or glory of God which was to pass before Moses while he was
hidden in the cleft of the rock (Verse 22).



Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the
place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved"
(Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food
(Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four
elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel
saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).



Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron.
21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing
on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a
man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an
"appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a
body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father
and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same
place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white.
The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan.
7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw both God and Christ at the same time and place
with the same eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

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On 11/04/2018 at 12:04 AM, Jayne said:

I wish so badly that you could have been at my church Sunday and heard the testimonies from our Gideon speaker about people who are saved by reading the Bible.  I love to hear these testimonies.

Hi Jayne

My husband is a Gideon and I have heard wonderful testimonies like these too.

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On 4/12/2018 at 8:12 PM, DJ7 said:

If you would say then it's infallible, then your saying the many translators cannot possibly translate it wrong because they are perfectly infallible as well, to be able to translate it perfectly.

There are many words here in this thread. Some go right over my head. Talking of FAITH is a very strange matter since all humans, in one way or another, exercise faith on a day to day basis.

Claiming infallibility is a straw horse that people who are afraid erect as some kind of impenetrable bastion of a fallacious argument. Yahweh is definitely NOT restricted by man's utterances either in text or words. He can make a donkey speak if He so wishes. He revealed Himself by words that He chose mankind to write down. He chose his scribes where they were and at the particular frame of mind they were in. He did not download a sudden data-dump of science they would not understand, but allowed them to write in their own words and with their own world view what He desired to convey. He makes sure we get the message when and if we are ready for it. He does this and cannot be thwarted by vain people with foolish notions.

What the Most High God (Yahweh) does is reveal to us all His Majesty and Power. If we care to notice it and seek His face, He will be found of us. If we cry "show us a miracle" He will not be dictated to.

To bandy around 'science' as if it proves the existence of the Almighty God is mere foolishness. The Lord God does not need science to prove He exists, though often in His love and compassion, He will use His revealed science to accomplish this.

He knows the the very 'best' of us are weak and foolish; trying to find relevance in an increasingly complex world. I take heart that He created all science and technology that we might be tempted to hide behind - and at a word, can cause it all to cease.

[Jayne]

8 hours ago, SisterActs2 said:

Hi Jayne

My husband is a Gideon and I have heard wonderful testimonies like these too.

I enjoy Gideon speakers every time they come to our church.  It's a great ministry getting bibles into the hand of people across the world.

 

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16 hours ago, Yowm said:

Believe that junk if you want. I'm done wasting my time arguing over blatant heresy.

God took on a body in Jesus Christ.

If you think reading the Word of God is wasting your time then so be it, and "All" of those Scriptures I provided are not junk.

As the Word, God had no beginning and He had a spirit body, as the man Jesus Christ, He had a beginning and took upon Himself a flesh and bone body so He could die for us. As the Word God He could not die but as a man He could and did die. The Father, who remained in Heaven while Jesus was on the earth raised Him from the dead. Jesus had all power and honour and glory restored unto Him but He has kept His flesh and bone body, only now glorified, and He sits at His Fathers right hand in Heaven.

 

Gal. 1:1, Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

Luke 24:39, Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Col. 3:1, If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1 Peter 3:22, Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Will we see and be reminded of the sacrifice Jesus endured and see His wounds forever?

Yes, Zec. 13:6, And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

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13 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

Exactly; "Created in the image of God" doesn't mean we are all  "little gods". 

Spiritual garbage drives off believers, who will not even stop to say why they don't want to remain. It also invites judgment.

Not one time have I said we are little gods? I gave many Scriptures where God make it quite plain and clear who He is and the fact that He does have a body. All you have come up with is "Spiritual garbage." That should draw future believers.

Spiritual garbage? So you believe God was telling lies when He said to the Word, 

Genesis 1:26, And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AND AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

We are no little gods? We are human beings with mortal bodies made in God's image and likeness. In other words, we look like God because we have hands, hair, a face, a heart, legs, loins, fingers, back parts, we can think, build, reason, chose right from wrong, we have emotions, all attributes that God clearly has as shown by the many dozens of Scriptures provided.

All of my children, grand children and great grand children take after me, look like me, some even act like me. That does not mean they are in fact "ME."

When you look into a mirror, do you see and image and likeness of yourself, or do you see nothingness?

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On ‎10‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 5:55 PM, eugenelester said:

My article is written for those for whom the Bible is not authority.
However, it proves what the Bible indicates.
I'm talking about exactly what Paul says in Romans 1:20.

You go for it. All matter is composed of atoms. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of things that we cannot see- tiny invisible particles called atoms, made up of electrons and protons, which are really not solids, but positive and negative charges of electricity. Considering that he lived about two centuries ago, it is extremely doubtful that the author of the books of Hebrews specifically understood the subject, yet he accurately wrote about atomic structure - nearly 2000 years before it was discovered by scientists.

Hebrews 11:3, 3, Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made  of things which do appear.

Ancient Biblical writers accurately expressing modern scientific concepts is yet another perfect example of the Divine inspiration behind the Scriptures..

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6 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Quit twisting my words. I meant your interpretation of Scripture, not Scripture itself. Besides, I already said God took on a Body in Jesus Christ BECOMING the God/man.. That does not mean God's essence includes part of His creation or eternal matter. The Incarnation happened in time and space (about 2000 years ago in a virgin), it is not eternal.

Not twisting anything. When Scripture clearly states God has hands, feet, lions, hair, heart, back parts, eyes, he walks, he talks, He sits on a throne, 

You said, The Incarnation happened in time and space (about 2000 years ago in a virgin), it is not eternal.

Not eternal? Then what does these Scriptures mean?

Luke 24:39, Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Will we see and be reminded of the sacrifice Jesus endured and see His wounds forever?

Yes, Zec. 13:6, And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.