September 23, 2017

[iamlamad]

12 minutes ago, Da Puppers said:

It is not my theory,  [shame on you for thinking such] it is Paul's words. 

*[[Rom 2:8]] KJV* But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, INDIGNATION and WRATH, TRIBULATION and ANGUISH, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, OF THE JEW FIRST, and also of the Gentile;

Blessings

The PuP 

You wrote, "We are called to have patient continuance when God is pouring his wrath upon the Jews. "

You are mistaken! The church is NOT called to have patience during the time of God's wrath on earth! We are called to be ready to get raptured out BEFORE His wrath! Go back and study 1 Thes. 4 & 5 again! So what you wrote (in blue letters) is your theory but it is error!

Again, the bride of Christ is not going to be here for God's wrath poured out!

1 Thes. 5: ⁹ For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation [get raptured out] through our Lord Jesus Christ. ¹⁰ He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.

Always remember, THEY get the sudden destruction, but WE get raptured before His wrath.

 

[iamlamad]

10 minutes ago, Da Puppers said:

Don't go putting words in my mouth.   I said that it is wrath upon the Jews,  not the whole world:

"You are mistaken! The church is NOT called to have patience during the time of God's wrath on earth!"

I guess you underestimate God and his ability to direct his wrath.   The seals are the wrath of God on Israel... its people and the land... not the whole world. 

Blessings

The PuP 

OK, so please, make this clear to your readers: WHEN will this wrath come upon the Jews? Are you not speaking of the very same wrath John  wrote of?

Revelation 6:16

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

Is THIS the wrath you were writing of?

 

Paul wrote of the same wrath:

 

1 Thessalonians 1:10

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:9

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

When God turns the seas into blood, is that going to affect the entire world? 

When God turns the fresh water into blood, will that affect the entire world? 

 

 The seals are the wrath of God on Israel.

 

WRONG!  No wonder I agree with so little of what you write! Did you not stop to think: if the seals are God's wrath, then God is angry with His martyrs! Is that God's intent? 

 

The truth is, you missed His intent way back in chapter's 4 & 5 that set the TIMING of the first seals to around 32 AD. The first seal is the CHURCH sent out with the GOSPEL to make disciples of all nations.

 

Seals 2 through 4 are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the gospel! These have NOTHING to do with the wrath of God! These three, the Red, the Black and the Pale were limited to 1/4 of the earth. They failed for the Gospel is everywhere now! Seal 5 is for the martyrs of the church age. 

 

Only seals 6 & 7 are future to us today. 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

The day of the Lord is not about coming unexpectedly because of who you are expecting, but what you are expecting.   Sleeping on that day[remember it is the world who will be sleeping,  not us]  involves WHAT you are expecting or not expecting to take place.   The whole world will see his epiphaneia, his appearing: 

*[[2Ti 4:1]] KJV* I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing (G2015)and his kingdom;

*[[2Th 2:8]] KJV* And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness (G2015) of his coming (parousia):

h1. G2015

Original: *ἐπιφάνεια*

Transliteration: *epiphaneia*

Phonetic: *ep-if-an'-i-ah*

*Thayer Definition*:

# an appearing, appearance

Origin: from [[d 2016]]

TDNT entry: 09:07,1

Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

*Strong's Definition*: From [[G2016]]; a _manifestation_, that is, (specifically) the _advent_ of Christ (past or future): - appearing, brightness.

 We watch for him with our eyes,  we are ready for him because he dwells in our hearts. 

Jesus commanded us to watch with our eyes and be ready in our hearts: 

*[[Mat 24:42]] KJV* Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

*[[Mat 24:44]] KJV* Therefore be ye ALSO ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Those who are sleeping,  are not watching with their eyes.   Those who are not sober,  are not ready for him in their hearts. 

Blessings

The PuP 

If YOU wish to remain on earth for His Rev. 19 coming, I believe God will leave you behind for that. But for the Bride, she will be ready for His NEXT coming, as shown in 1 Thes. 4 & 5, which will be over 7 years prior to His Rev. 19 coming. 

It seems you are trying to force all verses concerning His coming into ONE coming. It will not work. He will come first FOR His bride, then again WITH His bride. 

If you wish to be left behind at his coming FOR His church, I believe God will give you your desire. He is coming for those who are expecting Him to come to the AIR, and escort us to heaven. The bride will not be here for his Rev. 19 coming for they will be coming WITH HIM.

[iamlamad]

3 minutes ago, Da Puppers said:

If you wish to ignore the signs that he told us to watch for,  and have that day come upon you unexpectedly,  he will be doing that.   You don't even have to wish for it.   It is written for our admonition and encouragement, that it will come to pass. 

Blessings

The PuP 

I am sure at lease a few of those left behind at Paul's rapture will be looking for those last signs, such as a new temple in Jerusalem, and then the man of sin entering that temple. But at this time, the Bride of Christ will be in heaven. 

Did you know? Earthquakes is one of the signs. I began wondering: all these small earthauakes, around 5 and 6 on the scale. So I began researching at the earthquake site.

There were SO MANY I had to search month by month to start.

But as I went back in time, I could do year by years, the number of earthquakes 6 and under. 

Earthquakes 4 to 6 on the Richter scale                
................4 to 6..1 to 6    Richter
2000 to    2010....117859..249995    
1990 to    2000....75841...164993    
1980 to    1990....52542...78582    
1970 to    1980....29330...34745    
1960 to    1970....1756....1756    (no small quakes)    
1950 to    1960....1599....1599    (no small quakes)
1940 to    1950....0.......0    

1950 to 1951......119
Jul to Dec.........82
1950 Jan -Jun......25
1949 to 1950......0.0
1940 to 1950......0.0

It seems these small earthquakes that appear everywhere started when Israel became a nation. 

[iamlamad]

24 minutes ago, Da Puppers said:

So,  you include the Olivet Discourse's mention of earthquakes,  but ignore the rest?   Sounds like cherry picking to me. 

Blessings

The PuP 

One thing you are missing: Jesus begins with WORLD signs, and says, "the end is not yet." Meaning, He is not yet speaking of the end times. And in that part of His discourse, He speaks of earthquakes, and famines and pestilences. These parallel the Red, the Black and the Pale horsemen of Revelation. They are church age events and we as the church acknowledge these things. the black plague hit Europe twice, both times killing around 1/3 of the people. In our lifetime, many famines have struck Africa. These two, Africa and Europe are in the 1/4 of the earth these horsemen were limited to. 

[iamlamad]

38 minutes ago, Da Puppers said:

You do recognize the jixt of the matter.  These martyrs are the ones who will be dwelling on Jerusalem,  most of them unwittingly,  when God pours his wrath upon his people and his city: 

*[[Jer 25:29]] KJV* For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.

They will be deceived,  just as Jesus foretold about getting out of the country when they see the AoD standing in Jerusalem.   They have been forewarned by Jesus himself to "get out of Dodge".   If they chose to be there knowing what is coming to Jerusalem,  they will definitely have a martyrs crown waiting for them.   God is never angry with any martyr but expects all Christians everyone to show the same diligence unto the end have patiently endured: 

*[[Heb 6:15]] KJV* And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

*[[Rom 8:35]] KJV* Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?  As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Blessings

The PuP 

Sorry, not the martyrs of the 5th seal. Stephen was one of the first in this group. they are CHURCH age martyrs. This seal was opened just like the first 4, around 32 AD. 

On the other hand, you are speaking of 70th week days. OF COURSE there will be martyrs during the 70th week but they will not be a part of the 5th seal: we see them begin to arrive in heaven in chapter 15, those beheaded. Take note that most of those that will be caught in Jerusalem will be JEWS and Hebrews. It is their city. 

The church, on the other hand, will be caught up before the 70th week begins. It will be JEWS who will have to patiently endure the 70th week - it is for DANIEL's people. 

It still seems like you WANT to be left behind to face the Beast. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by iamlamad

[other one]

1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

 Let's wrap this up  with an unanswered question that i presented to you.   

Do you believe that God can direct his wrath only at the children of Israel?

Blessings

The PuP 

can     or    will  ????     of course he can...…   but does he say that he will?????    that's the question you should be asking.

[Gibbus]

September 23, 2017 Revised Part 2

(Part 1 We learned that Gentile Prophecies rely solely on the figure of "1260" to explain the "Second Coming", and by that measure, reject the Ministry in Jerusalem that took place with Jesus for that "1260" Days, during his "First Coming" ................... never acknowledging the significance of daniel in literal day usage to the 70th Year)

(Part 1.2 We learned that the Gentile Prophecies tried to articulate the arrival of the "Third Temple", as a picture of the Spaceship that Jesus used with Peter, so the original intent of Miller (2520) and Issac Netwon (2060), prophecies, developed into more then the original intent)

 

Part 2 ... Third Temple before the Second Coming, but after the 70th Year (attempting to salvage the misappropriated, "Gentile Prophecies")

Miller 2520/Issac Netwon 2060 Prophecy to Third Temple Summarized

The length of the Tzolkin year was 260 days and the length of the Haab year was 365 days. The smallest number that can be divided evenly by 260 and 365 is 18,980, or 365×52; this was known as the Calendar Round. If a day is, for example, "4 Ahau 8 Cumku," the next day falling on "4 Ahau 8 Cumku" would be 18,980 days or about 52 years later webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar-mayan.html

1. 9/11/2001 to 12/21/2019 for 18 Years

2. 9/23/2017 to 12/21/2019 for 819 Days

...................

Long Count was put into motion, it was started at 7.13.0.0.0, and 0 Yaxkin corresponded with Midwinter Day, as it did at 13.0.0.0.0 back in 3114 B.C.E. The available evidence indicates that the Mayas estimated that a 365-day year precessed through all the seasons twice in 7.13.0.0.0 or 1,101,600 days

1. If 9/11/2001 is False for the 70th Year then 9/23/2017 is true for the 70th Year

2. If 12/21/2012 is False for the Third Temple then 12/21/2019 is true for the Third Temple

12/21/2012 is corrected by "Seven Years" to 12/21/2019, as a Gentile Prophecy ................. 9/11/2001 is corrected for 16 Years (for 1600 Furlongs), as a Gentile Prophecy to 9/11/2017.

 

"Calendar Round 260 and 365 is 18,980, or 365×52 is the solution to Miller and Issac Newton's Gentile Prophecies for the Third Temple

9/11/2017 to 12/21/2019 (this is the Corrected Figure for the 12th Baktun of the Mayan Calendar, which is for the Third Temple/Spaceship)

(Spaceship under the Temple Mound in Jerusalem, is released, this kills "Dead Flesh", and opens the "Golden Gates" for the final countdown to the 5 months, which is not far off)

Harold Camping is a self-taught Bible teacher who was one of the founders of Family Radio, a collection of radio stations and affiliates based in Oakland, California. Camping hosted a live Monday through Friday talk show on the network during which he spread his teachings and took phone calls answering Bible questions. Camping first attracted attention outside of his followers when he wrote a book titled 1994? in which he predicted that the end of the world would probably take place between September 15 and 17 of that year. When it didn’t he said that he’d gotten his calculations wrong.  truthorfiction.com/vietnam-aftermath/

(Third Temple/Spaceship/Jerusalem) 12/21/2019 to 5/21/2021 = 517 Days

(5/21/2011 + 2300 Days to 9/23/2017 + 1335 Days to 5/21/2021) (with Flight 370 at the 1290 Day mark from 9/23/2017)

 

Gentile Prophecy of Miller 2520 and Issac Netwon 2060 Restated (Corrected) (brief word about vietnam, and more)

5/21/2011 Beginning of 2300 Days to Third Temple in 12/21/2019 = 3136 Days

(5/21/2011 is 2300 Days for the Multiples of Daniel that ends with May 21 to October 21 in 2021 A.D.)

Miller 2520 + Issac Newton 616 (not 2060) in Days (2520+616 BeastMark) = 3136 Days

(Every one of Genetic Dan will die in Jerusalem, automatically, and based on my ability to do so, and following the action from God (I may even follow Edward Leedskalnin and throw the spaceship into jerusalem like siberia to kill the entire population) the sign of divorce and the nations should dispose of the rest naturally ... ... ... ... ethnic euthanasia as a sign from god that is performed almost weekly at any opportunity, especially following my declaration of authority, are a sign from god, specifically intending euthanasia, god does that because that is what God intends ... ... ... ... I don't have full support of the media or authorities, but if I did, I would make it public about the euthanasia, and then I would instruct the services or the police to raise their guns at me an shoot with the intent to kill to watch the euthanasia, with more witnesses with more strength attributed to me by the state, for those actions.  That is the Mystery behind Nguyen Van Lem/Moses ............... God allowed Moses to live the entire 70 Year period in Egypt, and God did something similar to day but not exactly the same way ................ I'm going out now to city for for euthanasia in city of philadelphia, in a few minutes (ethnic euthanasia), if the level of force is good, i'll do this again later this week)

(you are deceased globally, in about 2 years from 2019, then you are lobotomized, God finishes all the law, for 5 months, assuming you've exhausted your suicide with Moses, if I do kill Jerusalem, I'll only live for a much longer time, to perhaps 2066, but, lets assume everything is resolved in foolishness, then we'll see soon) (your spared for now, I have my address up in other places for ethnic euthanasia, so use that) (I'll just have to see how quickly, those people can be euthanized in jerusalem, or weather it is more profitable to kill it, to put the focal point back on your war with god, in blindness, as a matter of faith)

Edited September 10, 2018 by Gibbus

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

Your straw man illusions about things "i believe", makes me laugh.   70th week,  church & the beast,  are puppets of your imagination.   I have even explicitly laid out that the rapture falls between the wrath on the Jews and the revealing of the man of sin .   You are creating images in your mind that don't exist. 

Covering your eyes to see only what you want,  will not make it not happen.   Let's wrap this up  with an unanswered question that i presented to you.   

Do you believe that God can direct his wrath only at the children of Israel?

Blessings

The PuP 

No strawmen! I follow the scriptures exactly. As I said, we read the scriptures differently so come up with different results!

To answer your question: When God turns the oceans and seas to blood: will that ONLY affect Israel? 

When God turns all fresh water into blood, will that only affect Israel?  When God turns off the sun and moon and creates darkness, will that only affect Israel?

God is all powerful, but we already KNOW by His word what He is going to do.  I just gave a few examples. 

You don't believe in the 70th week of Daniel? Read Daniel chapter 9!
You don't believe in the Gentile church of today? 

Colossians 1:26  Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Romans 11:25

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

The church of today is mostly made up of Gentiles, and God is waiting for the last of the Gentiles to come in. 

 

 I have even explicitly laid out that the rapture falls between the wrath on the Jews and the revealing of the man of sin

 

This is myth. I will go with what Paul shows us. HIS rapture comes a moment before the DAY and God's wrath begins. And for our purposes, it does not matter to WHOM that wrath is pointed. God is not angry today, and will not begin to pour out His wrath until the DAY of His wrath. John shows us that will happen at the 6th seal, before the "tribulation" even begins. This is scripture in black and white. I will take scripture over your theories. 

 

I am blessed, thank you!

[iamlamad]

1 minute ago, Gibbus said:

September 23, 2017 Revised Part 2

(Part 1 We learned that Gentile Prophecies rely solely on the figure of "1260" to explain the "Second Coming", and by that measure, reject the Ministry in Jerusalem that took place with Jesus for that "1260" Days, during his "First Coming" ................... never acknowledging the significance of daniel in literal day usage to the 70th Year)

(Part 1.2 We learned that the Gentile Prophecies tried to articulate the arrival of the "Third Temple", as a picture of the Spaceship that Jesus used with Peter, so the original intent of Miller (2520) and Issac Netwon (2060), prophecies, developed into more then the original intent)

Part 2 ... Third Temple before the Second Coming, but after the 70th Year (attempting to salvage the misappropriated, "Gentile Prophecies")

EDITING

Sorry, but it was JOHN that wrote of the 1260 days, and that was for Daniel's 70th week for HIS PEOPLE. You are all wet on "Gentiles."