JohnKing67 Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/09/1967 Share Posted September 19, 2018 And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Do you believe that this verse teaches that redemption means no more sin? How do you interpret this verse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 395 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 319 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2018 5 hours ago, JohnKing67 said: And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Do you believe that this verse teaches that redemption means no more sin? How do you interpret this verse? Firstly, Jesus forgave her up to that point. Secondly, Jesus did not say "go, and you won't sin no more". It's a gift to start afresh. But now she is aware, and needs to stay aware (keep her oil lamp lit) to sin no more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted September 21, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 1:04 AM, JohnKing67 said: And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Do you believe that this verse teaches that redemption means no more sin? How do you interpret this verse? In context, Jesus was likely talking about the sin of adultery, right? "You are saved now, you've trusted me for salvation, therefore, go, but commit adultery no more." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted September 21, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 12:04 AM, JohnKing67 said: And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Do you believe that this verse teaches that redemption means no more sin? How do you interpret this verse? The whole conversation about her and to her was about adultery. Jesus meets us where we are. She was in an adulterous condition. Jesus is telling her to forsake the lifestyle of adultery. Forever. No more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnKing67 Posted September 21, 2018 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/09/1967 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Jayne said: The whole conversation about her and to her was about adultery. Jesus meets us where we are. She was in an adulterous condition. Jesus is telling her to forsake the lifestyle of adultery. Forever. No more. But he didn't say go and commit adultery no more he said go and sin no more. I think there's a difference there if that is to be taken literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnKing67 Posted September 21, 2018 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/09/1967 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Billiards Ball said: In context, Jesus was likely talking about the sin of adultery, right? "You are saved now, you've trusted me for salvation, therefore, go, but commit adultery no more." Can we assume Jesus only meant adultery here? I think it would have been easy enough to say "go and commit adultery no more" if that's what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted September 21, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, JohnKing67 said: But he didn't say go and commit adultery no more he said go and sin no more. I think there's a difference there if that is to be taken literally. I don't know if you are trying to make this about sinless perfection, I may be wrong. I don't believe in sinless perfection. It should be the goal, but in this body on this earth it will neve be attained. He tells her this after he has forgiven her. I don't know why Jesus would tell someone that he has forgiven to never, even commit another sin when he knows that's impossible. Jesus was not only concerned with her adulterous lifestyle, but that was what landed her in the place of near death here. If this were generic, he would have said, "Go and pursue holiness," or "Go and obey the commands of God," or "Go and rebuke sinful behavior." Of course, Jesus didn't want her to sin in any capacity again, but that's impossible in this coat of flesh. I don't think he is giving her an ultimatum of ,"Go and never sin in anyway again," because there is always an "or else" following an ultimatum. This does not affect eternity nor is it a hill on which I am willing to die. In other words, I can't argue about it. Edited September 21, 2018 by Jayne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnKing67 Posted September 21, 2018 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/09/1967 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 6:41 AM, Raven said: Firstly, Jesus forgave her up to that point. Secondly, Jesus did not say "go, and you won't sin no more". It's a gift to start afresh. But now she is aware, and needs to stay aware (keep her oil lamp lit) to sin no more. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnKing67 Posted September 22, 2018 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/09/1967 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 51 minutes ago, Jayne said: I don't know if you are trying to make this about sinless perfection, I may be wrong. I don't believe in sinless perfection. It should be the goal, but in this body on this earth it will neve be attained. He tells her this after he has forgiven her. I don't know why Jesus would tell someone that he has forgiven to never, even commit another sin when he knows that's impossible. Jesus was not only concerned with her adulterous lifestyle, but that was what landed her in the place of near death here. If this were generic, he would have said, "Go and pursue holiness," or "Go and obey the commands of God," or "Go and rebuke sinful behavior." Of course, Jesus didn't want her to sin in any capacity again, but that's impossible in this coat of flesh. I don't think he is giving her an ultimatum of ,"Go and never sin in anyway again," because there is always an "or else" following an ultimatum. This does not affect eternity nor is it a hill on which I am willing to die. In other words, I can't argue about it. You say Jesus knows it's impossible to never commit a sin ever again. Is there a scripture in the Bible that confirms this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted September 22, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnKing67 said: You say Jesus knows it's impossible to never commit a sin ever again. Is there a scripture in the Bible that confirms this? Jesus said in teaching people to pray, "Forgive us our trespasses and we forgive those who trespass against us." Why do we need forgiveness from trespass if we live sinlessly? Jesus said to Peter the night before he [Jesus] was crucified, "The devil has asked to sift you as wheat, but when you return, you will lead the brothers." Jesus knew and told Peter that he would sin grievously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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