IserveIam Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/18/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The one who wins the victory, I will grant him to sit with Me on My throne just as I also have won the victory and have taken My seat with My Father on His throne. Revelation 3:21 When Jesus ascended into heaven, the Word says he sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. The above verse declares that Jesus is currently sitting on the throne of God. Jesus says that to those who overcome, He will give to sit on His throne just as He has taken His seat on the Father's throne. Is Jesus inviting us to sit on the throne of God with Him and in Him? All through the New Testament I find evidence that God's ultimate goal of salavation is to bring many sons to glory, be partakers of the divine nature, sit with Jesus on His throne, be one with the Father and with Jesus as they are one with each other; we're called the Body of Christ with Christ as the head, rulers and reigners in Christ and on and on and on. To sum it up in one sentence, God is calling His born again children into His Godhead. This is not something I learned in sitting in church but was revealed through the Scriptures. Why is this doctrine not being taught in western churches. Eastern churches teach this doctrine faithfully (theosis, divinization, glorification) but over here it would be blasphemous to say what I just wrote above. Why? Does the Church seriously think Christ died JUST to forgive our sins. No. Peter said we are partakers in the divine nature, that same divine nature Christ possesses in addition to His human nature. So if Jesus is possessor of a human and divine nature, why wouldn't His flesh and blood born-again brethren be as well? Think what that would do for the Church if they had that revelation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IserveIam Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/18/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 As the Book of Hebrews says though, we do not yet see all things subjected to us. Yes, spiritually we are seated in heavenly places, but physically we have yet to take out seat with Him on His t throne. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2018 I’m always trying to picture myself seated in heavenly places. I end up imagining an airport-like waiting room. It’s hard for me to grasp that concept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IserveIam Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/18/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 Same. It's unthinkable to me but it's truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) I firmly believe it is true because that’s what the Word says. It’s wonderful and baffling. In response to IserveIam Edited September 19, 2018 by Kristin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IserveIam Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/18/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, Yowm said: Ok, so we will never be physically seated on the same Throne as His. Why do you say that when Scripture says so? "Whoever ovrrcomes will sit with me on my throne". Don't you understand that being In Christ means we share every single blessing Christ enjoys just as when we were in Adam we shared in the curse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,565 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,045 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, IserveIam said: The one who wins the victory, I will grant him to sit with Me on My throne just as I also have won the victory and have taken My seat with My Father on His throne. Revelation 3:21 When Jesus ascended into heaven, the Word says he sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. The above verse declares that Jesus is currently sitting on the throne of God. Jesus says that to those who overcome, He will give to sit on His throne just as He has taken His seat on the Father's throne. Is Jesus inviting us to sit on the throne of God with Him and in Him? All through the New Testament I find evidence that God's ultimate goal of salavation is to bring many sons to glory, be partakers of the divine nature, sit with Jesus on His throne, be one with the Father and with Jesus as they are one with each other; we're called the Body of Christ with Christ as the head, rulers and reigners in Christ and on and on and on. To sum it up in one sentence, God is calling His born again children into His Godhead. This is not something I learned in sitting in church but was revealed through the Scriptures. Why is this doctrine not being taught in western churches. Eastern churches teach this doctrine faithfully (theosis, divinization, glorification) but over here it would be blasphemous to say what I just wrote above. Why? Does the Church seriously think Christ died JUST to forgive our sins. No. Peter said we are partakers in the divine nature, that same divine nature Christ possesses in addition to His human nature. So if Jesus is possessor of a human and divine nature, why wouldn't His flesh and blood born-again brethren be as well? Think what that would do for the Church if they had that revelation. Hi and welcome, Interesting presentation and good subject to study thanks It led me to go back into archives of sermons this day and for that I give thanks to God for your post I do question the idea presented that churches in the west do not teach Bible. Specifically I offer a link to sermons that do teach, and teaches on Revelation including revelation 3:21 http://lakesidechapel.com/sermons?book=Revelation&by=book . You will have to seek out Rev. 3:21 within the many hours of recorded sermon on the book of Revelation, once you do that you will find Rev 3:21 is discussed. I do think it is a serious error to make a statement that declares "the church" or in this case "the western church" does or does not do this or that. Many individual elders and pastors do teach and teach well out of all of the Bible. I am in awe of what God provides in the manner of teachers, those that do have capacity and are led by the Holy Spirit having been given special high spiritual gift to teach and have accepted the responsibility that comes with the privilege, then makes time to study to even, becoming scholars aware of original languages and are able to make transliteration a serious part of their teaching of others. I do not find a deficiency in teaching nor in teachers. I find an abundance so vast, so full, so deep, that I cannot take in all that is taught with the leading of the Holy Spirit. I praise God for the thrill of being exposed to the many teachers so gifted of the Holy Spirit. Edited September 19, 2018 by Neighbor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IserveIam Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/18/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Yowm said: We share the same blessings, not physically the same body. How would you fall on your face and worship Him? We're called the Body (not bodies) of Christ, filled with the Spirit of God (completely, not like how now we have only received a down payment of the Spirit). Why would Christ call us His body and we not receive His blessings. It makes absolutely no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Yowm said: We share the same blessings, not physically the same body. How would you fall on your face and worship Him? Paul tells us all throughout his epistles that we are the body of Christ. In a mysterious way, we literally are the body of Christ. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IserveIam Posted September 19, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/18/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kristin said: Paul tells us all throughout his epistles that we are the body of Christ. In a mysterious way, we literally are the body of Christ. Wow! Jesus Himself prayed in John 17 and asked of the Father that we may partake in His (Jesus) glory, the glory He had before the foundation of the world, the eternal glory, God's glory. Why would Jesus confer God's glory on us if we are not included in His Godhead? God Himself even stated in the Old Testament that His glory he will not share with anyone. Does this mean God is a liar if Jesus prayed that God would share His glory with us. Heaven forbid it. God is sharing His glory with us through virtue of being united organically to Christ, bone of His bone, flesh of His flesh. It's Christ in us, the hope of glory, the mystery hidden for all time until this current Church Age. Those are the words of the Apostle Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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