THE TRINITY OF THE GODHEAD SEEN IN NATURE.

[KiwiChristian]

THE TRINITY OF THE GODHEAD SEEN IN NATURE.

Question: How is the Trinity of the Godhead seen in nature as in Romans 1:20 ‘for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

Answer: a) We see God’s eternal power in earthquakes, volcanoes, wind, millions of stars, galaxies, waves, floods, lightning, sun, moon, nuclear bombs, etc.

b) We see the Trinity of the Godhead with so many things coming in ‘threes’, reminding us of Father, Son, Holy Spirit, all three members of the creator Godhead. Examples include:

1) The Physical Universe: Space, mass, time.

2) Space: 3 dimensions of space are: length, breadth, height.

3) Mass: 3 phases of matter are: solid, liquid, gas.

4) Time: 3 tenses of time are: past, present, future.

5) Light: 3 directions of light wave oscillation are: horizontal, 
vertical, back and forward.

6) Colours: 3 primary colours of light are: red, blue, yellow.

7) Kingdoms: 3 Kingdoms are: Animal, vegetable, mineral.

? Animal: 3 main kinds of Animal are: fish, bird, land animals.

9) Minerals: 3 main kinds of Minerals are: igneous, sedimentary, metamorphic.

10) Heavens: 3 heavens are: atmosphere, space, God’s throne.

11) Man: 3 components of Man are: body, soul (personality), spirit. (I Thess. 5:23).

12) Divine institutions: 3 Divine institutions are: marriage, human government, church.

13) Musical notes: 3 notes make up a musical chord.

14) Sub-atomic particles: 3 main sub-atomic particles are: proton, electron, neutron,.

15) Mankind: 3 divisions of the human race: Jew, Gentile, Church of God. (I Cor.10:32).
 

[Deborah_]

I'm sorry, but this list looks a bit contrived. What about all the things that come in twos, or fours? For a lot of them, it all depends on how you define them.

And just to take one example: a musical chord can have any number of notes from two upwards! 

[ZacharyB]

On 11/3/2018 at 2:02 AM, Deborah_ said:

I'm sorry, but this list looks a bit contrived. What about all the things that come in twos, or fours?

But, I don't come in 2's or 4's ... I'm me, myself, and I.

See, the bird is right after all.

Edited November 10, 2018 by ZacharyB

[Deborah_]

1 hour ago, ZacharyB said:

But, I don't come in 2's or 4's ... I'm me, myself, and I.

That's not universal. It happens to be true in modern English. But in Russian (for example) there are five ways of referring to "me".

[ZacharyB]

2 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

That's not universal. It happens to be true in modern English. But in Russian (for example) there are five ways of referring to "me".

Russia and Bulgaria are both Slavic, both use the Cyrillic alphabet, etc.

In Russia, "Petio" is a female name, while "Petia" is a male name.

In Bulgaria, "Petio" is a male name, while "Petia" is a female name.

Go figure.

 

 

 

 

 

[Deborah_]

16 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

Russia and Bulgaria are both Slavic, both use the Cyrillic alphabet, etc.

In Russia, "Petio" is a female name, while "Petia" is a male name.

In Bulgaria, "Petio" is a male name, while "Petia" is a female name.

Go figure.

 

 

 

 

 

What on earth does all that have to do with anything? As if the alphabet used makes any difference... I haven't come across "Petio" in Russian, so where did you get that information from? 

And come to think of it, French has four words that refer to "me".

[ZacharyB]

5 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

What on earth does all that have to do with anything? As if the alphabet used makes any difference... I haven't come across "Petio" in Russian, so where did you get that information from? 

And come to think of it, French has four words that refer to "me".

I was told all of this in Bulgaria.

[Uber Genius]

On November 3, 2018 at 1:25 AM, KiwiChristian said:

We see the Trinity of the Godhead with so many things coming in ‘threes’, reminding us of Father, Son, Holy Spirit, all three members of the creator Godhead. Examples include:

 1) The Physical Universe: Space, mass, time.

2) Space: 3 dimensions of space are: length, breadth, height.

3) Mass: 3 phases of matter are: solid, liquid, gas.

4) Time: 3 tenses of time are: past, present, future.

5) Light: 3 directions of light wave oscillation are: horizontal, 
vertical, back and forward.

 6) Colours: 3 primary colours of light are: red, blue, yellow.

7) Kingdoms: 3 Kingdoms are: Animal, vegetable, mineral.

 ? Animal: 3 main kinds of Animal are: fish, bird, land animals.

9) Minerals: 3 main kinds of Minerals are: igneous, sedimentary, metamorphic.

10) Heavens: 3 heavens are: atmosphere, space, God’s throne.

11) Man: 3 components of Man are: body, soul (personality), spirit. (I Thess. 5:23).

12) Divine institutions: 3 Divine institutions are: marriage, human government, church.

These are completely arbitrary!

 

space / time/matter/energy -4 so that points to a quadrinary nature right?

night/day

black/white

computers are binary

switches are binary

propositions are either true or false 

therefore the godhead is binary!

 

See the problem with reading in a false relationship between examples of sets of three items and extending those examples as evidentiary support of the Trinity. It allows anyone to read into scripture any idea they want. It gives a license to create heretical theology. 

 

I would focus on God being the first-cause or uncaused cause. 

God is the origin of moral standards, oughts and duties.

God is the origin of design (complex specified information) 

God is the origin of beauty

God is the best explanation for mankind's search for meaning.

These items above are cross-cultural truths recognized by the best thinkers for over 2500 years. 

 

That at seems to be enough info to drive one towards a deeper inspection of who God is as revealed in the scriptures.

 

philosophers have discussed this point since Augustine and have agreed that while we can kno God exists from things that are made, we can only intuit characteristics like all-powerful, all-knowing, personal, loving, not bounded by time, eternal!

 

We require God's special revelation through the scriptures to unfold His triune nature, or that Jesus is the messiah, or that the HS and the Father don't have bodies, etc.

[KiwiChristian]

The Bible is not a book but a collection of 66 books, written over a span of 1600 years across 3 continents, by over 40 writers inspired by God in 3 languages yet it has ONE primary theme ( The Glory of God and salvation of mankind ) and zero errors or contradictions. It is scientifically, prophetically, archaeologically, historically and linguistically accurate.
Ignore the word "trinity". its not important.
God is everlasting, eternal, without beginning or end. God is unchanging, infinite,  omnipresence, omniscient , self-existent, self-sufficient, immaterial and omnipotent
There is only ONE God. God Himself says He knows of NO OTHER GOD and if He is all-knowing, He would know if there were any other Gods.
The Bible says that God the father is God. Matthew 6:9, Jeremiah 31:9, 
The Bible says that Jesus is God. John 8:58, John 1:1, John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8, Isaiah 44:6 ( crossreference  Revelation 1:17 )
The Bible says that the Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3,4. Romans 8:11
The Bible also says there is ONE God. DEUTERONOMY 6:4, DEUTERONOMY 4:35,39, DEUTERONOMY 32:39, 2 SAMUEL 7:22, 1 KINGS 8:60, 2 KINGS 5:15 , 2 KINGS 19:15,  NEHEMIAH 9:6,  PSALM 18:31 ( Which also states Jesus is God ),  PSALM 86:1, ISAIAH 37:16,20, ISAIAH 43:10,11, ISAIAH 44:6,8, ISAIAH 45:21, ISAIAH 46:9, HOSEA 13:4, MARK 12:29-34, ROMANS 3:30, 1 CORINTHIANS 8:4-6, 1 TIMOTHY 2:5.
Therefore, somehow, these three entities constitute the one, eternal, everlasting God.
We are not told HOW God is God, that is not important. God just tells us thats the way it is.