Divisions in the church

[NITE OWL]

In 1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul stated that there was to be no divisions among us. Why do we ignore that?

[M45510G1C]

In 1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul stated that there was to be no divisions among us. Why do we ignore that?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Cuz some of us think we are more correct than others.

It is a shame and unity within the body is really important. But at the same time Rom. 16:17 says: Now I implore you, brothers, watch out for those who cause dissensions and pitfalls contrary to the doctrine you have learned. Avoid them.

It is quite a dilemma.

[JesusisGod2]

In 1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul stated that there was to be no divisions among us. Why do we ignore that?

But unfortunately even then there were divisions, which is why Paul addressed it and ther always will be until the return of our Lord. Not to say that we shouldnt strive towards unity and perfection.

Look at each of the epsitles and you will see Paul addressing different issues where there was obvious differences of opinion. Sometimes differences are healthy and are necessary

The problems arise not really as much from interpretation as from application. Each of us are different and have lead different lives, so will see a different application of the scriptures that speak to us, that we understand and apply to our

to reasoning.

Some see going to movies as ok, some see it as very harmful and it very well may be to them.

Some see having a beer as ok, some might have been a former drunk and see it as very harmful and so on.

it appears that the gray areas more than anything are what cause divisions.

this why Paul says:

1 Cor 8:9 But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.

10 For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol's temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols?

11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died.

12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ.

13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

Even when Jesus walked there were divisions, even amongst the Apostles. Paul and Peter had differences. We will one day be perfect.

[Guest Bro David™]

In 1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul stated that there was to be no divisions among us. Why do we ignore that?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How true Nite.

Grey areas or not, there can only be one right thing.

Either we can drink moderately and still be Saints of God or Drinking in any form is wrong and not of God.

Which is it, and the same I ask for almost a Million other diff's in opinion with other Christian aspects .....

I totaly feel for your question Nite, why do we ignore that ?

Bless You

YBIC

[Gerioke]

[quote name='Bro David

[Guest Bro David™]

Because scripture is open to interpretation

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where might I ask does it say, scripture is open to interpretation ?

1 Corin [1]

10: Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11: For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12: Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13: Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Scripture was never, will never, and should never be open to interpretation.

One cannot have two schools of thought and presume them to agree.

Scripture can only be seen has open for interpretation, to people who think they can evoke their thoughts and actions, into Scripture and somehow legitimize it.

Scripture, our Word of God is not open to interpretation !.

YBIC

[Gerioke]

[quote name='Bro David

[Guest Bro David™]

The same place it says there is a trinity and a rapture

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ok what verse ? which Chapter, what Book ?

Simply equating your ideologies into the Word of God is not something I find Funny.

Why do you think there are so many denominations if not for interpretation?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My point exactly.

But the word Christian today is used in such a far-reaching manner that it includes everyone from Homosexuals to the KKK.

And that is the main reason for this perceived great gulf of divisions. i.e., anyone can argue that they are Christian, and thus make Christianity divided. But is it really?

Simply taking the name of Christ does not make one a Christian.

Throughout history we have had professed Christians who burned people at the stake, or tortured them mercilessly. But does that mean that they actually were true Christians? I think not.

A Christian is prescribed by their wearing of the spiritual cloth, and faith consists of more than an individual merely saying he is Christian.

It is a way of life which is pervasive and defined by the Word of God, not simply a label that one takes hold of.

Isaiah 4:1

"And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach".

Do not be mis-understood in your Theology that Scripture is somehow open for interpretation.

YBIC

[jc49]

In 1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul stated that there was to be no divisions among us. Why do we ignore that?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ok lets see:

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

We are exhorted to speak the same thing...do we?

and that be no divisions among us...are there any divisions? yes..why? because we don't speak the same thing!

He exhorts us to be PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER in THE SAME MIND ( which mind? ours of CHRIST'S?) and in the same JUDGMENT.. of what? ( spiritual things,I presume)

and then Paul explains what is happening in Corinth....

1 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Isa 29:14

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Jer 9:24

Well, it looks like that our brothers in Corinth had the same problem that afflicts so many of us today....religious spirit and taking side with a man or another or another and not focussing on CHRIST and that's it!

or even emphasizing doctrines ( for example water baptism) over Jesus and Him crucified that was the CENTRAL MESSAGE of the apostle.

I think that so happens because we start to think that we are wise...we forget that Jesus found us desperately sick and lost and dead in our sins and trespasses and that when we got saved it happened becuse we put our trust and belief in THE CRUCIFIED and RISEN SAVIOUR not in water baptism or other church doctrines which cannot save anybody, starting with me...well,with the super emphasis that today we put in WORKS it is clear that we get all "sanctimonious" and "holier than thou" kind of,for example I pray 7 times a day, I fast,I go to church,I read 3 chapters of the bible a day,I buy the blessings of God with my tithe,I help the poor,I am pentecostal and you a lousy baptist,I pray louder than you and use fantastic biblical terms,look at me look at me LOOK AT ME, what a SUPER DUPER SAINT I AM!

But,Paul,old dear Paul says that CHRIST JESUS is made unto us WISDOM,RIGHTEOUNESS,SANCTIFICATION,REDEMPTION! CHRIST JESUS not MY WORKS!!!!!

In fact by believing in JESUS we are wise,right,sanctified( set apart to Him,for Him) and redeemed( or BOUGHT BACK to GOD)...

So dear brother,having long or short hair,having a gold watch or a normal timex doesn't make me holy at all!neither praying 5 hours a day....( I wanna see somebody REALLY doing that! ) and giving big cheques to the local church it doesn't save me either....

I presume that until we don't ALL GO BACK to THE BASIC of the faith and stop all this blah blah and religious jargon that we christian use ,well,sadly divisions will stay..even though from God's point of view we are perfect and united because He overlooks our carnality because He has put us IN CHRIST and CHRIST IS PERFECT!!! THQANK GOD FOR THAT,otherwise it would be a very very sad story...nobody( starting with me) would ever make to heaven....

God bless you brother and bless me too!

[Gerioke]

[quote name='Bro David