What is your view of hell?

[OpenMind]

6 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

The disciples never wrote the whole Bible? 

Every author was a disciple of God, but that is not the point.  The point is the Bible was not written in English, so if you only look at the English words, you're not getting the true picture.

[HAZARD]

4 minutes ago, OpenMind said:

Obviously I've read all the scriptures.  And I've not just read them, but also studied them, including the meanings of the original Greek and Hebrew writings.  The fact is that the English word "forever" is a bad translation, as I've already pointed out, and not only this word, but so many words translated into English which have different meanings in their original written language. 

So to simply "believe what you read" is folly, if you fail to acknowledge that the English words you're reading are not the original written words, and the meanings of those English words don't match the meanings of the original written words.  

The Bible is God's inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things. It is the power of God unto eternal salvation and it is the source of present help for the body, soul, and spirit (Rom. 1:16; John 15:7). It is God's will and testament to men in all ages, revealing the plan of God for man here and now and in the next life. It is the record of God's dealings with man; past, present, and future. It contains God's message of eternal salvation to all people who believe in Christ and of eternal damnation to those who knowingly and willingly rebel against the gospel.

God would not and will not allow His Word to be written in such a way, in any language not to mean exactly what He wants it to mean and teach. Men will be judged by what is written in His Word.

The Bible is a simple book to understand because it was given by God to be understood by the simple. Following the commonly accepted argument that a perfect God cannot make anything imperfect, we can scripturally say that God did not fail in His purpose of giving man a simple revelation that could be easily understood by all men alike, even by the simple (Deut. 29:29; Ps. 119:104, 140; Proverbs 1:1-4; 2 Timothy 3:15-17). Paul speaks of "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3). Jesus thanked God that the truths of the Bible were hidden from the worldly wise who refused to believe, and stated that God has "revealed them unto babes" (Matt. 11:25-27). He gives the reason truths are hidden from anyone. It is because they refuse to humble themselves to believe and conform to the Bible (Matt.13:10-17). Jesus speaks of the devil taking the Word from the hearts of men lest it should bring forth fruit (Matt. 13:19-23. Paul also speaks of the devil blinding the minds of men lest they should believe, and he also speaks of men wilfully handling the Word of God dishonestly and deceitfully (2 Cor. 4:1-6).

The most simple beginners can understand the Bible one line at a time, for this is the way it was given, and it is the best way to understand it (Isa. 28:9-13). No man can get the vastness of the Bible at once. It is the infinite scope of the Bible truth that causes some men to think the Bible is hard to understand. Its  like someone saying they cannot understand water because they cannot drink the whole ocean dry in one drink.

[OpenMind]

You seem to be unwilling or unable to address my point, so let me try this with a simple yes or no question.  Do you believe that there's no need to try to understand the meanings of the original Hebrew and Greek words the Bible was written in when reading an English translation?

[HAZARD]

4 minutes ago, OpenMind said:

Every author was a disciple of God, but that is not the point.  The point is the Bible was not written in English, so if you only look at the English words, you're not getting the true picture.

The Bible has been translated into many languages, possibly a thousand different languages. The Bible was originally written in three different languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The Old Testament was written in mostly Hebrew, with a few passages written in Aramaic. The New Testament was written in Greek. This can be hard to grasp since the Bibles we hold today are typically written in our native language.  God does not expect every one to learn and study His Word in the Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek language.

[OpenMind]

6 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

The Bible has been translated into many languages, possibly a thousand different languages. The Bible was originally written in three different languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The Old Testament was written in mostly Hebrew, with a few passages written in Aramaic. The New Testament was written in Greek. This can be hard to grasp since the Bibles we hold today are typically written in our native language.  God does not expect every one to learn and study His Word in the Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek language.

So do you think that just reading it in English is good enough?

[HAZARD]

20 minutes ago, OpenMind said:

So do you think that just reading it in English is good enough?

Yes. Can you show me "ONE SCRITPURE" in the original language where it states that men must be able to read the Word of God in the original language to understand God's Word and be saved?

[OpenMind]

Seriously?  How about you use common sense instead.  

[HAZARD]

14 minutes ago, OpenMind said:

Seriously?  How about you use common sense instead.  

Common sense? Lets start with, how about you show me "ONE SCRITPURE" in the original language where it states that men must be able to read the Word of God in the original language to understand God's Word and be saved?

Do you seriously believe or even think that the millions of people who read a Bible written in their language are going to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek in case they "MAY" be missing something?

[HAZARD]

If forever and forever and for ever and ever don't mean forever then Gods Kingdom and us reigning in it forever will end some day, and the false prophet, the devil, demons, the beast all deniers of Christ, murders and sinners will also eventually be released.

I don't think so!

Rev 20:10 

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Just as we shall reign for ever and ever;

Rev 22:5 
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

[OpenMind]

Revelation 20:10 actually says "...they will be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages".  And Revelation 22:5 says "...and they will reign to the ages of the ages".  So in both of these cases it seems as though "to the ages of the ages" is a reference to forever, as in "from one age to the next, all throughout the infinite ages to come".  And there are other such uses of the word "aoinian" that signify eternity.

However, not all references to the english word eternity, or eternal, in the KJV or other translations, actually mean eternal.  For  example, Matthew 18:8.

If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

Here the KJV uses the phrase "eternal fire" but a more accurate translation of the original text would be "age long fire".  Young's Literal Translation translates it thusly "to be cast to the fire the age-during." because that is what it actually says in the original Greek manuscripts.  The same is true of Matthew 19:29 and Luke 18:30 and many other verses throughout.  They all refer to something that is "age-long" not eternal.

In fact, all of the references to "eternal fire" or "everlasting fire" in the KJV actually translate into "age-long fire" in Young's Literal Translation.  Jude 1:7, Isaiah 33:14, Matthew 18:8, Matthew 25:41.  So knowing that not all English translations agree; which English translation is correct?  Sometimes the only way to know for sure is to research the original Greek (or Hebrew) words yourself and don't depend on others to tell you what's right.