Mike Mclees Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Billiards Ball said: I agree--Jesus tells us truth only and ever. Consider! Matthew 25 is about unsaved people, not people who lose their salvation--one issue that leads to eternal insecurity is mistaking clear passages about Jews for the church, a terrible, terrible problem that further leads to Replacement Theology--the same RT that is believed fervently by Witnesses, Mormons, Rome... SERVANTS are not just Christians, since Jesus said in John, "no longer just servants . . . but FRIENDS". Matthew 25 is about Jewish people not waiting for the correct Jewish Messiah. Most born agains believe security, those who don't have the same "do it or lose it" doctrine as the cults above. Repent! You say you don't misinterpret scripture. These scripture address the church because there is no need to address the unsaved.8 John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Show thy self approved a workmen who need not to be ashamed but rightly dividing the word of truth. Edited July 16, 2019 by Mike Mclees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said: You say you don't misinterpret scripture. These scripture address the church because there is no need to address the unsaved.8 John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Show thy self approved a workmen who need not to be ashamed but rightly dividing the word of truth. The Old Testament Law addresses the church? Many other examples can be given. There is "no need to address the unsaved"? Why do I give them Bibles to read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Still Alive said: But we're not talking about dead faith. If works don't follow we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: If works don't follow we are. How many works are we talkin' about here? And how about dead works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Still Alive said: How many works are we talkin' about here? And how about dead works? Dead faith is faith plus nothing. Dead works would be works without faith in Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Still Alive said: How many works are we talkin' about here? And how about dead works? How many works? It is a lifestyle change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: How many works? It is a lifestyle change. How dramatic? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 Just now, Still Alive said: How dramatic? I saw it as a straight forward answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: How many works? It is a lifestyle change. This is one reason I use the "use your brakes" analogy. When you believe a thing, it affects your actions. Your "works". I think the whole "faith vs works" thing is pretty simple: Your works don't save you. Rather, they demonstrate what you believe. The "prove" what you believe. You can say all day that "this chair will hold my weight", yet never sit in it. And that proves that you are lying. Your actions speak louder than your words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: How many works? It is a lifestyle change. When I said, "how Dramatic", I was being too argumentative. That is, I agree with you, but I'm just always on my guard against judging another by their works. I've seen it this way for a long time: Imagine, on a scale of 1-10, the best human is a 10, and the worst a 1. Imagine Joe is not a Christian and was raised to be a 9, but is living as a 6. Imagine Bill was raised to be a 1, was living as a 1, and then became a Christian. And now, on the "goodness" scale, he's a 4. So this means that Bill, at a 4, showed a significant lifestyle change and is saved, but Joe, at a 6, is lost. I actually see a lot of that around me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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