Justin Adams Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Flowersun said: Same here,maryjayne,..but I wasn't in a cult. Yes, sadly I had a lot to unlearn about this. I guess you could say it made me into a failed father. At least, that is what i heard said about me. But to understand what a true father is requires much understanding and scriptural soul searching. I think the upshot might be, for me, that I am beginning to think as I ought about being a father. Trusting the Lord as such is a big step and requires vacating the comfort zone of past experiences that created a certain numbness. I know many, many others are on a similar journey yet are possibly afraid to say so. We dress up in our Sunday or Sabbath best and arrange our faces like we are off to some photo-shoot, but what lies beneath is rarely seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2019 What do you say about scriptures like Jeremiah 15:1-3? THEN said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth. And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, This saith the LORD;and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for captivity, to the captivity. And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. This is God speaking of his own people because they sinned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.26 Content Count: 27,777 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,478 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Author Steward Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Firm Foundation said: What do you say about scriptures like Jeremiah 15:1-3? THEN said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth. And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, This saith the LORD;and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for captivity, to the captivity. And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. This is God speaking of his own people because they sinned. ... and this is connected to the topic OP how? The question is ... You cannot get closer to God than you concept of God will allow ... So are you suggesting that you're focus in on people's sin? Because God is focused on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, George said: ... and this is connected to the topic OP how? The question is ... You cannot get closer to God than you concept of God will allow ... So are you suggesting that you're focus in on people's sin? Because God is focused on it? Given how God treated his own children that sinned, I think it would be wise to focus on living right. When Israel did right, they were blessed. When they sinned, read the prophetic books and see what happened to them. It was all based on performance. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Yes I am concerned about sin, mine and the sins of the church that bring about God's wrath on us all. Jeremiah didn't escape and he served God. He was in Egypt when the judgment occurred along with the rebellious children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.26 Content Count: 27,777 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,478 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Author Steward Share Posted August 5, 2019 @Firm Foundation ... so are you suggesting that your understanding of God is based on your "performance"? and is His love back to you based on how holy you are living? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, George said: @Firm Foundation ... so are you suggesting that your understanding of God is based on your "performance"? and is His love back to you based on how holy you are living? I am taking the scriptures as written. I just believe what they say. They were given as examples to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2019 Consider Ananias and Sapphira in the New Testament. They are our example too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,197 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,472 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 5, 2019 OP or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward Popular Post George Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.26 Content Count: 27,777 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,478 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Author Steward Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2019 @Firm Foundation This is hijacking a thread once again ... seriously is every thread you're involved in about being "cast" out of God's presence? No where in this thread is the mention of sin ... or living in sin ... or even any hint of such a thing ... it's the question I'd like to explore ... You cannot get closer to God than you concept of God will allow. So apparently, you don't understand the topic being discussed ... or perhaps you're living in FEAR of being "CAST OUT" of His presence and live in this fear? Have you explored this possibility? The reality is if you are living in this type of fear ... then you're working from a "performance" based understanding of a heavenly Father. If so, then perhaps should investigate this further in your own personal time with the Lord. For now, let's stay on the topic. I believe if we truly explore this out ... it will us to reevaluate our relationship with our Heavenly Father ... and let us go to a new level of worship and adoration. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.26 Content Count: 27,777 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,478 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Author Steward Share Posted August 5, 2019 In the passage ... that I mentioned in the OP ... look at Moses' response to hearing who God was ... Exo 34:8 And Moses made haste and bowed toward the earth, and worshiped. The first response was -- MOSES fell down and worshiped! Afterwards, it says in Exodus 34:29 -- And it happened as Moses was going down from the mountain of Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony being in Moses' hand as he went down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face had become luminous through His speaking with him. Moses never shone before this ... think about it. His perception of a FATHER figure was warped as he was raised in Pharoah's court. He had "visited" with God before ... but upon this visitation of finding out about God in this way ... a God of Mercy, grace, patience, abounding in never ending love, faithfulness, forgiveness, and justice -- His entire COUNTENANCE changed ... so much so that all of Israel saw it. Perhaps if we truly got a concept of how awesome our God is ... perhaps the world around us would be radically changed ... and people would see how our lives were radically changed! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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