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fenwar, I could continue to refute your points, point-by-point, but don't feel that it is profitable. Every time I bring up legitimate problems to evolutionary theory you respond with "what could have happened," or "what might have happened" or "how do we know that the rate has always been the same... etc." Your science is a bunch of "what if" and "how do we know."

Sorry, I'm not trying to make a watertight case... I'm just saying that what you say is impossible - is not impossible. I could certainly be wrong - science is not about rigidly sticking to one view, it's about listening to new evidence and new theories, and re-assessing your knowledge accordingly.

And this includes theology. (Otherwise the gospel would never have been preached to the Gentiles - myself included!)

So, to all of you "hope so, might have, could have scientists..." When you can show me ANY EVIDENCE of a dog producing a non-dog then we'll talk. Until then, I hold that evolution is a religion requiring tons more faith than Christianity.

As I've said: "a dog producing a non-dog" is a straw man. Evolution does not say a dog produces a non-dog.

Show me the evidence of one kind transitioning into another kind. Any evidence. Going once.... twice.... Can I get a witness?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html

or if you prefer one Christian's perspective:

http://www.theistic-evolution.com/transitional.html

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fed, science is about "that which we know." Evolution is alledged to have happened millions of years ago. Nobody was there. Nobody saw it. We have ZERO evidence of it. Every "missing link" has been proven a fraud (Lucy, Piltdown Man, etc.), and modern microbiology has all but ruled out evolution as a viable possibility. What Darwin once thought to be "a simple cell" is far more complex than he could have imagined. Did you know that a single-celled organism is more complex than our Space Shuttle?

Evolution is nothing more than the same old lie that Satan told Eve..

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Evolution is the teaching that "there is no God of man, but man himself." We can be Gods. We started out as an amoeba... worked out way through the animal kingdom, and here we are as humans. You know, "from the goo, through the zoo, to you!"

The next step on the evolutionary plane is that we evolve into a "higher consciousness." New Age mysticism repackaged as "science."

Evolution violates the very core teaching of the Bible. They are 100% incompatible. Theistic evolution is nothing more than "theists" attempting to mesh the two opposing views. But, it cannot happen because they are inherently contradictory.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Do you believe the Bible? If so, do you believe God when He says that He created "every living creature after their kind?"

If you don't believe in the Bible, then you have bigger problems than "did we evolve or not."

PM me, if you would. I'd like to get to know more about what you personally believe and how you got there.

When you get to the bottom of it, evolution is a silly, silly philosophy.

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Evolution is alleged to have happened millions of years ago.

Wrong. Evolution has been happening for millions of years and continues to do so today.

Nobody saw it

Can you see a Redwood tree grow? Species take thousands of years to evolve.

Every "missing link" has been proven a fraud (Lucy, Piltdown Man

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Trust and obey:  Or, I could bring up the fact that they have dated RECENTLY DECEASED animals as being hundreds and thousands of years old. It is ridiculous.

Here is another example of an anti-evolutionist trying very hard to attack evolution by deception. Radiometric dating is a very reliable scientific process. Do mistakes occasionally occur? Of course they do. Testing is done by people and people sometimes make mistakes. That does not invalidate the procedure or the millions of dating tests that have been done correctly. It is analogous to saying medical testing is BS because occasionally a doctor misdiagnoses a condition. Trust and obey probably knows this and intentionally misrepresents it. Ask yourself why someone would make a post that (s)he knows is misleading.

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The hypothesis of mega-evolution: the greatest fairy-tale not in Aesops! Its god is the Blind, Mindless & Inert god "Chance." It's out of its depth in a puddle.

Thank You, Lord Jesus, for setting us straight!

Hi Arthur,

... "random" mutations aren't where I'm coming from. I don't think God plays dice. He designed this process and knew the outcome before the very first self-replicating molecule was formed.

With the greatest of respect... how did Jesus set us straight on the matter of evolution?

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fenwar, you must have a different God than I do. My God said He created them after their own kind. Not after the kind of an amoeba.

Why would God use a system that includes misfits and distortion to arrive at what He could just "speak into existence?"

If you believe in the Bible, then you cannot believe in evolution.

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HorizonEast,

What is the point you are trying to make when you quote Stephen Gould?

Gould: 

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Trust and obey:  Or, I could bring up the fact that they have dated RECENTLY DECEASED animals as being hundreds and thousands of years old. It is ridiculous.

Here is another example of an anti-evolutionist trying very hard to attack evolution by deception. Radiometric dating is a very reliable scientific process. Do mistakes occasionally occur? Of course they do. Testing is done by people and people sometimes make mistakes. That does not invalidate the procedure or the millions of dating tests that have been done correctly. It is analogous to saying medical testing is BS because occasionally a doctor misdiagnoses a condition. Trust and obey probably knows this and intentionally misrepresents it. Ask yourself why someone would make a post that (s)he knows is misleading.

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Okay, I get it.

Everytime we use carbon dating on a living animal and it shows up as 1,000 years old we know that it was an error. Why? Because we KNOW that the animal is still alive or just recently deceased!

But, when we use the same method on a fossil of which we DON'T KNOW the age we automatically ASSUME that there is no error in the 1,000,000 yr old result.

Does anyone else see a problem here? As long as we don't KNOW that an error has happened it is assumed 100% reliable. That is really sound science.

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The Problem of Carbon

William Tripp

It seems that much is made of, and surety placed in, radiometric dating, normally associated with the isotope Carbon 14. Indeed, the results of dating materials and artifacts with this method is perhaps singularly the most compelling "evidence" for evolution

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OK, you can cut and paste from a scientist who does not believe in evolution. I did a google on him and found nothing. Who should one believe, a few scientists (with a bias) who dispute radiometric dating or the thousands of scientists who use it daily?

If you choose the one in the few, following is a cut and paste from a creationist site that believes in geocentricity. Perhaps the earth really is the center of the universe.

URL Not given in respect for the rules of the forum:

Geocentricity has descended from the ancient notion of geocentrism, or the belief that the earth is at the center of the universe. Theorists use the Biblical theme of an earth-centered creation for substantiation, and Biblical references that some believe imply the earth does not move. Some ardent geocentrists do not believe the earth is orbiting the sun, but instead propose the solar system model pictured at right where the sun is instead orbiting the earth.

Biblical References - Earth Does Not Move:

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Personally, I'll go with the thousands who believe the earth is not the center of the universe.

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I can see why you'd do that. It seems logical.

But, I go with the word of God. And, the Bible says that God created the animals after their kind.

We have never observed anything other than this happen, yet you maintain that it does.

Please provide an example of a dog producing a non-dog.

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Terrible that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than creation.

God said it

I believe it

That settles it

My dogs may think they are cats, but we have not had any strange offspring yet.

[Trust & Obey]

My dogs may think they are cats, but we have not had any strange offspring yet.

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Give it a few million years.