Where Jesus and John Essenes?

June 17, 2005

Something else you all may like to know is that the place Yeshua specificallly picked to have his teaching Seder, was in the Essene quarter of Jerusalem. And to the man to whom he sent the talmidim to see he was referred by them as Master. Compare that to the paragraph of Joshephus War of the Jews that I posted. Here it is again so you don't have to turn the page.

Para 4.
They have no one certain city, but many of them dwell in every city; and if any of their sect come from other places, what they have lies open for them, just as if it were their own; and they go in to such as they never knew before, as if they had been ever so long acquainted with them. For which reason they carry nothing at all with them when they travel into remote parts, though still they take their weapons with them, for fear of thieves. Accordingly, there is, in every city where they live, one appointed particularly to take care of strangers, and to provide garments and other necessaries for them. But the habit and management of their bodies is such as children use who are in fear of their masters. Nor do they allow of the change of or of shoes till be first torn to pieces, or worn out by time. Nor do they either buy or sell any thing to one another; but every one of them gives what he hath to him that wanteth it, and receives from him again in lieu of it what may be convenient for himself; and although there be no requital made, they are fully allowed to take what they want of whomsoever they please.

Did that colt and ass belong to the Essences?

19:28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

19:29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,

19:30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat *: loose him, and bring him hither.

19:31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

19:32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.

19:33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?

19:34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.

22:7 Then came the day of matzah, on which the Passover lamb had to be killed. 8 Yeshua sent Kefa and Yochanan, instructing them, "Go and prepare our Seder, so we can eat." 9 They asked him, "Where do you want us to prepare it?" 10 He told them, "As you're going into the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him into the house he enters, 11 and say to its owner, `The Rabbi says to you, "Where is the guest room, where I am to eat the Pesach meal with my talmidim?" ' 12 He will show you a large room upstairs already furnished; make the preparations there." 13 They went and found things just as Yeshua had told them they would be, and they prepared for the Seder.

June 17, 2005

So what are you trying to demonstrate Zayit? Are you trying to say Jesus was an Essene?

June 17, 2005

I am saying that I see many things match up with what Josephus wrote about them and the words and actions in the writings of Luke, am I the only one?

June 17, 2005

I am saying that I see many things match up with what Josephus wrote about them and the words and actions in the writings of Luke, am I the only one?

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Well, as I demonstrated regarding the paragraph where they I had to give their possessions to the whole community, the similarity between that event in Acts and the Essene culture is is really kind of superficial. There are some details you are not taking into account, I believe.

Again, why the comparison? Are you trying to draw a connection between Jesus and the Essenes?

nebula · June 17, 2005

as they do also to be clothed in white garments.

Well . . . that leaves out John the Baptist.

Unless you can find me a camel with white hair!

June 17, 2005

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as they do also to be clothed in white garments.

Well . . . that leaves out John the Baptist.

Unless you can find me a camel with white hair!

Ha!!

Also, John the Baptist was not a separatist. He did not preach against Jerusalem or the Temple. Nor did he affirm the ideals of Essenism. John the Baptist had a special ministry to God. He was set apart by God to fulfill a special prophetic purpose. His uniqueness was a product of any connection with Essenes.

Most of the "connections" people make are superficial and do not take into account the more important facts about Essene culture.

Kabowd · June 17, 2005

I'm just curious why this would matter........?

June 17, 2005

I'm just curious why this would matter........?

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That is what I am trying to find out. I want to know why a comparison is being attempted.

There are secularists out there who have tried to make the comparison in order to explain Jesus' ministry as being the product of His involvement with a cult as opposed to being truly of God.

I am not saying that Zayit is trying to do that, but I am trying to ascertain why the comparison is being attempted as there is simply no real evidence that Jesus had any connection to, or drew from, the Essenes.

Kabowd · June 17, 2005

I'm just curious why this would matter........?

June 20, 2005

as they do also to be clothed in white garments.
Well . . . that leaves out John the Baptist.

Unless you can find me a camel with white hair!

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Actually camels are born white, http://camelphotos.com/Graphics/Sbaby2.jpg some stay that way http://www.kinneret.co.il/holyland/Apr28_32.jpg and some turn brown but I get your dig.