omega2xx Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 447 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, one.opinion said: Yes, light waves can be distorted and even slightly slowed, but I know of no evidence suggesting the speed of light slowed at rates that would be needed for an object 10,000,000,000 light years away to be only 10,000 years old. Maybe all the light we have today was in place when God created the heavens. I don't know of any way light can be created out of nothing and without a source that has the ability to create it. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega2xx Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 447 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alive said: Friend, I recall that. Show me any place on earth geographically where this could happen. Look at the map of he region of Ararat, please and then explain how this could happen. It is inconceivable. 1 minute ago, omega2xx said: Maybe all the light we have today was in place when God created the heavens. I don't know of any way light can be created out of nothing and without a source that has the ability to create it. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega2xx Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 447 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alive said: Friend, I recall that. Show me any place on earth geographically where this could happen. Look at the map of he region of Ararat, please and then explain how this could happen. It is inconceivable. Why? Peace and joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 195 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.50 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, omega2xx said: Why? Peace and joy Why what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Alive said: Friend, I recall that. Show me any place on earth geographically where this could happen. Look at the map of he region of Ararat, please and then explain how this could happen. It is inconceivable. I understand your misgivings. Take a look at this paper from a Christian geologist. http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Carol 1.pdf I'll paste the introduction since it is pertinent. Quote The biblical and scientific evidence pertaining to the subject of a universal versus local Noachian Flood are discussed in this paper. From a biblical perspective, a universal flood model (and its corollary models: flood geology and the canopy theory) is based primarily on: (1) the universal language of Gen. 6–8, (2) Gen 2:5–6, and (3) the presumed landing of Noah’s ark on the summit of Mount Ararat (Gen. 8:4). It is argued that the “universal” language of Gen. 6–8 was meant to cover the whole known world of that time (third millennium BC), not the entire planet Earth, and that this interpretation also applies to Gen. 2:5–6—the verses on which the canopy theory is based. It is also argued that the “fifteen cubits upward” flood depth mentioned in Gen. 7:20 favors a local rather than a universal flood. From a scientific perspective, a universal flood, flood geology, and canopy theory are entirely without support. The geology of the Mount Ararat region precludes the premise of flood geologists that all of the sedimentary rock on Earth formed during the time of Noah’s Flood. The most likely landing place of the ark is considered to have been in the vicinity of Jabel Judi (the “mountains of Ararat” near Cizre, Turkey) within the northern boundary of the Mesopotamian hydrologic basin, rather than on 17,000-foot-high Mount Ararat in northeastern Turkey. Since it would have been logistically impossible for all animal species on Earth to be gathered by Noah and contained in the ark, it is concluded that the animals of the ark were those that lived within the Mesopotamian region. The archaeological record outside of Mesopotamia also does not support a universal flood model. All of the evidence, both biblical and scientific, leads to the conclusion that the Noachian deluge was a local, rather than universal, flood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega2xx Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 447 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, one.opinion said: Right. This is what I wrote earlier: 9 minutes ago, one.opinion said: Right. This is what I wrote earlier: 6 minutes ago, Alive said: Friend, I recall that. Show me any place on earth geographically where this could happen. Look at the map of he region of Ararat, please and then explain how this could happen. It is inconceivable. Why is it inconceivable? Have you not heard the Creator of the universe is omnipotent? If God didn't do it, how did it get here? Is it possible for nothing to create something? That is what is inconceivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 195 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.50 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, omega2xx said: Why is it inconceivable? Have you not heard the Creator of the universe is omnipotent? If God didn't do it, how did it get here? Is it possible for nothing to create something? That is what is inconceivable. Please read the last few of my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 195 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.50 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, one.opinion said: I understand your misgivings. Take a look at this paper from a Christian geologist. http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Carol 1.pdf I'll paste the introduction since it is pertinent. Thank you, but I don't need to read any more than what you pasted. Three possibilities exist regarding the flood controversy: The entire globe was flooded. The description in the Bible is exaggerated or largely metaphorical The Lord contained the water by His own hand within a defined area. I may have missed one--my brain doesn't work like it used to. I don't know which of these is accurate. I wasn't there and I have no witness of the Holy Spirit within me one way or the other. A proactive statement as follows: Someone stated recently in one of these threads---"if you can't know all of it, how can you know any of it". To that I reply--"I know what the Lord has revealed to me personally of Life and His existence". In ways that are quite supernatural. :-) I am not arguing for any view point. I am only poking some holes in one of them. Please don't assume any more than the words I type. I do choose my words carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 195 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.50 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Ararat and the region. Observe where Canaan is in relationship to the over all Middle East region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted November 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2019 From the introduction of the article I linked: Quote The most likely landing place of the ark is considered to have been in the vicinity of Jabel Judi (the “mountains of Ararat” near Cizre, Turkey) within the northern boundary of the Mesopotamian hydrologic basin, rather than on 17,000-foot-high Mount Ararat in northeastern Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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