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Christendom: A "Little Flock"? No!

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Christianity started very small. There was a time in the first century (some 2000 years

ago) when there were zero Christians. Then the Lord Jesus started calling His disciples.

There was a time in the first century when there were only a few dozen Christians in the

entire world. But as the centuries unfolded the number of Christians began to increase

in the world.  Today there are some 900,000,000 Protestants in the world. And 900,000,000

is not a little flock. 900,000,000 Protestants is not a just a few Christians. So then Christianity

started very small in the first century, but today here in the year 2019 Christianity has grown

HUGE-ENORMOUS in numbers. Here below is a parable that the Lord Jesus taught His disciples

that teaches the idea of beginning small but ending up HUGE-ENORMOUS.

 "He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man

took and sowed in his field. It is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is larger than all the garden plants

and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.”
Matthew 13:31-32


 

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@JAG**  Do you honestly think that all those who profess to be Christians are true Christians? 

 

Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.  Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’  And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

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5 minutes ago, OneLight said:

@JAG**  Do you honestly think that all those who profess to be Christians are true Christians? 

No I do not. I never  said that I thought that. I never one time even hinted

that I believed all those who profess to be Christians are true Christians. Also

this: To ask that question is to miss the whole and entire point of the Opening

Post and all my other posts in this thread. The point of this thread and my

other posts in this thread is to say that Christendom is no longer a little flock

and no longer has just a few true believers. Lets take just the Protestants.

There are 900,000,000 Protestants in the world today. I have no reason to

believe that the vast majority of my fellow Protestants  are not true Christians.

Just consider the Southern Baptist by themselves:

There are some 16,000,000 Southern Baptists in the world today. I have no reason

to believe that the vast majority of the Southern Baptists are not true Christians.

And  16,000,000 is not just a few and not a little flock either.

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But speculation about who is or in not a true Christian is not essential to the

point of this thread. The proposition of this thread is based on clear Bible verses

that say with absolute certainty that the final number of the saved is going to

be HUGE-ENORMOUS. Here are just two verses that clearly say that:

Take a look at Genesis 22:17-18
God said to Abraham, "indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the
heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore . . . and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be
blessed."
 
(1) stars
(2) grains of sand on the seashore
(3) all nations of the earth shall be blessed through Abraham's descendants. (In Romans the Apostle Paul
teaches that the Christian Church is the spiritual children of Abraham.)

Compare: Hebrews 11:11-12 with Genesis 22:17-18
"By faith Sarah, even though she was barren and beyond the opportune age, was enabled to conceive a child, because she considered

Him faithful who had promised. And so from one man, and he as good as

dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky

and as countless as the sand on the seashore."

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, JAG** said:

I mean by the word Christianized God's simple plan of salvation as taught by all the Bible-believing

Protestant Christian churches -- here is one statement of faith:

"A definition of the Christian doctrine of salvation would be “The deliverance, by the grace of God,

from eternal punishment for sin which is granted to those who accept by faith God’s conditions of repentance

Ok Well you said

The entire world wil be Christianized as human history moves forward as mega millenniums unfold on the time
line of Church history.

The thing is if your point was simply the number in Heaven will be huge, I doubt many would disagree with you, But after a lot of posts there is more to your point than just that, If I take that line and what your hinting the entire world will be delivered by Grace, You are trying to eliminate Hell

Do you believe there is a Hell and some people will go There?

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3 hours ago, JAG** said:

Is Christendom going to end

up being a little flock? Yes or no?

I realize Jesus did say in Matthew 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen. I would think this pertains to the consideration that our Saviour was called to His own primarily. Matthew 15:24  But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.  KJV And then again He also said in John 10:16  And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them I must also bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.  KJV

And to this would be pertaining to the calling to His other or secondary chosen if you will, the Gentile nation. In which the Apostle Paul confirmed in Romans 1:16 - the Jew first, and then to the Gentile - (Weymouth Bible) So in regards to will Christendom end up being a big or little flock? We also have to consider the aspect that the majority of today's Jewish nation as a whole, have rejected Christ as Saviour and Lord. So far, that is. And there is also this verse as well, and what it means. 

Zechariah 12:10 10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.  KJV

Prophesy of course, and I'd like to remain on topic as you've requested. How many of God's Chosen will turn to Christ? Only our Heavenly Father knows these things. Some do believe all of Israel will be saved, but I can't make that call, unfortunately. We shall see. 

3 hours ago, JAG** said:

So do you agree that the final number of the saved is going to be comparable to the number

of stars in the sky and the number of grains of sand on the seashore? 

Ah! A loaded question. This promise to Abraham foretold, pertains to the number of His Chosen once again. And that being, that they will be virtually countless. His people fill the earth's inhabitants, yes? Will the entirety of the House of Israel be saved though? Only those who will come to accept Jesus as the Christ. 

John 14:6 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. KJV

Those who do not, cannot be saved. Only our Father in Heaven knows these things. I Hope this answers your questions with some reasonable consideration of the time spent in giving you what you've requested of me. It was my labor of love in Christ to you, even though you say I have the maturity of a third grader. God bless!

Shalom, 

David/BeauJangles

P.S. All will do this. 

Romans 14:11 11For it is written, As I live, saith the LORD, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Philippians 2:9-11 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father.

Isaiah 45:23 23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

 

 

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Christendom is for the masses...but the disciples of Christ are still a tiny flock. The ease with which people are declared Christian these days stem from a mass marketing strategy to get as many people as possible into the pews. This gives an aura of success at a time where the church is without power or influence in the world.

 

We "dumbed" down the message to fit more people in. The narrow road got a whole lot wider..at least in our own human efforts at spreading a gospel lacking in truth.. We made carnality OK by focusing only on forgiveness rather than the power over sin that is the gift of grace from God. People are being catered to and God is seen as the servant of man...it's all about getting "saved" now. But God isn't being served...and neither is His kingdom being entered into. There is a lot of religious smoke and mirrors.

 

But God will have the final say on whom He accepts. We are in for a lot of shocks and surprises on that day when God judges His own house. Judgment begins at God's house.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, nzkev said:

Ok Well you said

The entire world wil be Christianized as human history moves forward as mega millenniums unfold on the time
line of Church history.

The thing is if your point was simply the number in Heaven will be huge, I doubt many would disagree with you, But after a lot of posts there is more to your point than just that, If I take that line and what your hinting the entire world will be delivered by Grace, You are trying to eliminate Hell

Do you believe there is a Hell and some people will go There?

Thank you for your response.

When I said the entire world will be Christianized I meant in the general sense

that all nations will be discipled according to the Lord's Great Commission

given to His Christian church at the end of Matthew's gospel.  The Lord was

not kidding when he told His Christian Church to go and make disciples of

all the nations teaching them to obey what I He has commanded. He then said

that all power had been given Him in Heaven and on Earth. So then His power

is what makes certain that His Great Commission will be successfully carried

out by His people as the future millenniums unfold.

The above does NOT mean that every single person in all the future generations will

be saved. 

Yes I do believe there is a Hell. So no I am not trying to eliminate Hell. And yes

I do believe that some people will go there. 

Again, the point of my Opening Post and all my other posts in this thread

is that the final number of the saved will be HUGE-ENORMOUS and therefore

it cannot truthfully be said that Christendom is now a little flock and it cannot 

be truthfully said that only a few will be saved. Moreover it cannot truthfully

be said that Christendom will ever again be a little flock or will ever again be

numerically just a few saved. There was a time in the first century when Christianity

was a little flock and had just a few converts, but that time is gone forever never

to become reality again.  How do I k now that? Because of all the Bible verses that

I have posted in this thread that absolutely compel the Bible believer to believe

that the final number of the saved will be like the number of stars in the sky and

like the number of the grains of sand on the seashores of the world. 

 

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39 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

I realize  . . . . 

Thank you Beaujangles for taking the time to reply. It was a well written post

and I read every word of it. God bless you too. /smile

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11 minutes ago, JAG** said:

Thank you Beaujangles for taking the time to reply. It was a well written post

and I read every word of it. God bless you too. /smile

You're most welcome, and thanks for the positive comment. I think we are both in agreement that there has been a very large and seemingly countless number who have answered the call upon their lives. And yes, there shall be numerous souls in in Heaven. Amen!  

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6 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

 

You're most welcome, and thanks for the positive comment. I think we are both in agreement

that there has been a very large and seemingly countless number who have answered the call

upon their lives. And yes, there shall be numerous souls in in Heaven. Amen!  

/Amen for sure on all of that.

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