ReneeIW Posted September 8, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Someone emailed me encouraging me to familarize myself with an author named Richard Rohr and gave me a list of books he wanted me to read and discuss with him. He has read hundreds of Christian books and says these are his favorite four of all time. Has anyone heard of Rohr or any of these books?: Breathing Under Water', 'Things Hidden' and 'Great Themes of St Paul' by Rohr . This person also recommended 'The Great Spiritual Migration' by Brian McLaren. Edited September 8, 2019 by ReneeIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted September 8, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,020 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,309 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,365 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, ReneeIW said: Someone emailed me encouraging me to familarize myself with an author named Richard Rohr and gave me a list of books he wanted me to read and discuss with him. He has read hundreds of Christian books and says these are his favorite four of all time. Has anyone heard of Rohr or any of these books?: Breathing Under Water', 'Things Hidden' and 'Great Themes of St Paul' by Rohr . This person also recommended 'The Great Spiritual Migration' by Brian McLaren. I'm not familiar with them so I just looked them up. Rohr is a Franciscan friar. Brian McLaren is part of the emergent church which is not good. I think they seem to redefine Christianity. https://www.gotquestions.org/emerging-church-emergent.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_McLaren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted September 8, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Debp said: I'm not familiar with them so I just looked them up. Rohr is a Franciscan friar. Brian McLaren is part of the emergent church which is not good. I think they seem to redefine Christianity. https://www.gotquestions.org/emerging-church-emergent.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_McLaren Thanks. Here is an old devotional he sent along with the list telling me to figure out what person I am. Richard Rohr's Daily Meditation Faith and Belief Welcome Darkness and Mystery There are commonly two kinds of human beings: there are people who want certitude and there are people who want understanding; and these two often cannot understand one another. Those who demand certitude out of life will insist on it even if it doesn’t fit the facts. Logic has nothing to do with it. Truth has nothing to do with it. “Don’t bother me with the truth—I’ve already come to my conclusion!” If you need certitude, you will surround yourself with your conclusions. The very meaning of faith stands in stark contrast to this mind-set. I think Jesus (or the Father or Spirit) is actually dangerous if taken outside of the Trinity. Jesus held separate from the other members of the Trinity implies that faith is a static concept instead of a dynamic and flowing one. We’ve turned faith into certitude when, in fact, this Trinitarian mystery is whispering quite the opposite: we have to live in exquisite, terrible humility before reality. In this space, God gives us a spirit of questing, a desire for understanding; it seems to me it’s only this ongoing search for understanding that will create compassionate and wise people. If you think you have a right to certitude, then show me where the Gospel ever promised or offered you that. If God wanted us to have evidence, rational proof, and perfect clarity, the incarnation of Jesus would have been delayed till the invention of audio recorders and video cameras. Rational certitude is exactly what the Scriptures do not offer us. They offer us something much better and an entirely different way of knowing: an intimate relationship, a dark journey, a path where we must discover for ourselves that grace, love, mercy, and forgiveness are absolutely necessary for survival in an uncertain world. You only need enough clarity and ground to know how to live without certitude! Yes, we really are saved by faith. People who live in this way never stop growing, are not easily defeated, and frankly, are fun to live with. You can tell mature and authentic faith by people’s ability to deal with darkness, failure, and non-validation of the ego—and by their quiet but confident joy! Infantile religion insists on certainty every step of the way and thus is not very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted September 8, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,020 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,309 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,365 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, ReneeIW said: Thanks. Here is an old devotional he sent along with the list telling me to figure out what person I am. Richard Rohr's Daily Meditation Faith and Belief Welcome Darkness and Mystery There are commonly two kinds of human beings: there are people who want certitude and there are people who want understanding; and these two often cannot understand one another. Those who demand certitude out of life will insist on it even if it doesn’t fit the facts. Logic has nothing to do with it. Truth has nothing to do with it. “Don’t bother me with the truth—I’ve already come to my conclusion!” If you need certitude, you will surround yourself with your conclusions. The very meaning of faith stands in stark contrast to this mind-set. I think Jesus (or the Father or Spirit) is actually dangerous if taken outside of the Trinity. Jesus held separate from the other members of the Trinity implies that faith is a static concept instead of a dynamic and flowing one. We’ve turned faith into certitude when, in fact, this Trinitarian mystery is whispering quite the opposite: we have to live in exquisite, terrible humility before reality. In this space, God gives us a spirit of questing, a desire for understanding; it seems to me it’s only this ongoing search for understanding that will create compassionate and wise people. If you think you have a right to certitude, then show me where the Gospel ever promised or offered you that. If God wanted us to have evidence, rational proof, and perfect clarity, the incarnation of Jesus would have been delayed till the invention of audio recorders and video cameras. Rational certitude is exactly what the Scriptures do not offer us. They offer us something much better and an entirely different way of knowing: an intimate relationship, a dark journey, a path where we must discover for ourselves that grace, love, mercy, and forgiveness are absolutely necessary for survival in an uncertain world. You only need enough clarity and ground to know how to live without certitude! Yes, we really are saved by faith. People who live in this way never stop growing, are not easily defeated, and frankly, are fun to live with. You can tell mature and authentic faith by people’s ability to deal with darkness, failure, and non-validation of the ego—and by their quiet but confident joy! Infantile religion insists on certainty every step of the way and thus is not very happy. I do love devotionals but I didn't really "get" much out of the above devotional. How about you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted September 8, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,020 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,309 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,365 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2019 P.S. I see Rohr also is involved with the enneagram stuff. It sounds new age, so to be avoided. We had a discussion about it here.... https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/240574-a-new-new-age-movement/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted September 8, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Debp said: I do love devotionals but I didn't really "get" much out of the above devotional. How about you? I didn’t get anything out of that either. Not sure why he wanted me to reflect on it. 1 hour ago, Debp said: P.S. I see Rohr also is involved with the enneagram stuff. It sounds new age, so to be avoided. We had a discussion about it here.... Thanks for the heads up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted September 11, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2019 On 9/8/2019 at 6:44 AM, ReneeIW said: Someone emailed me encouraging me to familarize myself with an author named Richard Rohr and gave me a list of books he wanted me to read and discuss with him. He has read hundreds of Christian books and says these are his favorite four of all time. Has anyone heard of Rohr or any of these books?: Breathing Under Water', 'Things Hidden' and 'Great Themes of St Paul' by Rohr . This person also recommended 'The Great Spiritual Migration' by Brian McLaren. Respectfully, there is a book (or book series) that is far superior, that most Christians avoid reading. I recommend THOSE books to come way ahead of all else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 11, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Billiards Ball said: Respectfully, there is a book (or book series) that is far superior, that most Christians avoid reading. I recommend THOSE books to come way ahead of all else. What books are those you speak of? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted September 11, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, OneLight said: What books are those you speak of? Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exegesis Posted September 11, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 51 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/03/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) On 9/8/2019 at 5:44 AM, ReneeIW said: Someone emailed me encouraging me to familarize myself with an author named Richard Rohr and gave me a list of books he wanted me to read and discuss with him. He has read hundreds of Christian books and says these are his favorite four of all time. Has anyone heard of Rohr or any of these books?: Breathing Under Water', 'Things Hidden' and 'Great Themes of St Paul' by Rohr . This person also recommended 'The Great Spiritual Migration' by Brian McLaren. Richard Rohr is all kinds of messed-up. He is a Big-Time supporter of Soulforce which is a militant homosexual group in support of the LGBTQ movement. Brian McLaren is a guru of the Emergent Church, so no one who claims to be an orthodox Christian should be reading anything he writes, unless it is with the sole intention of using it in engaging in Apologetics to refute what he teaches.. Edited September 11, 2019 by Exegesis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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