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[Christ's Free Servant]

There was a post on here recently about the real story behind what is going on in Iraq or something to that effect, and I'm trying to locate it. Does anyone know where I can find it? I don't remember what category it was under. Help!!

[Scarletprayers]

Hey go up to the top to Search, then type in Iraq, it pulls up everything where that has been brought up!

Hope that helps!

[ted]

All depends on what you refer to as "the real story"!

Seriously, most of those type threads are in the War on Terror area or the latest news page. Some have made it to the Outer court, as well.

If the thread you are looking for got nasty from either side of the debate, it may have been deleted, as well.

Have no fear, another will start in less than 5 minutes...

Hope this helps.

t.

[Christ's Free Servant]

All depends on what you refer to as "the real story"!

Seriously, most of those type threads are in the War on Terror area or the latest news page. Some have made it to the Outer court, as well.

If the thread you are looking for got nasty from either side of the debate, it may have been deleted, as well.

Have no fear, another will start in less than 5 minutes...

Hope this helps.

t.

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Thanks Ted & Kahlan,

Our youngest son is in Iraq and he called tonight and talked with me and then his dad and he said something to his dad about the fact that now he knows the real reason we are over there, but of course, he couldn't say, so that got me thinking that there was a post on here about something like that and I wanted to read it. I'm sure there are many speculations and differences of opinion about the war. I have read some of them. I generally try to stay away from anything that gets heated, though. Well, here goes to searching...

[Christ's Free Servant]

Ted,

It was your post I was looking for: "Hidden Agenda in Iraq." My son's comments to his father indicated there was a hidden agenda, which, of course, he could not tell us, since it is classified. All he could say is that his political views have changed since going over there.

He is a chemical weapons specialist - the guy who goes in after a chemical weapon has been set off and does the clean-up, I think. He is the one who has to wear the big suit. But, they have him working a desk job over there monitoring trucks, because there is no need for his job until there is a chemical weapon that is used, right? Well, it was either the desk job or driving around in a truck with a machine gun, so I'm glad he got the desk job.

I've never been much into politics, because I never understood it. I had football coaches for my government and history teachers in high school and they did more playing than they did teaching. I never got to that subject in college, so I generally just stayed away from conversations that were political in nature due to my lack of understanding. As I'm getting older, I am reading more and gaining more understanding and I'm still learning. Having a son in Iraq is definitely motivation to want to know what is going on over there. So, you may see me drop in on the "war" posts now & then, so I'll probably see you around.

[Trinity]

Here is the link you have been looking for

[ted]

CFS,

First off, please relay to your son my heart felt thanks and appreciation for the willingness to help us there.

It means a lot.

We will look back, one day, at the various aspects of the war on terror and never be able to answer every question about it. There are things that we will never know, whether good or bad.

Questions about the invasion of Iraq will continue forever, IMO. Whether we are looking for reasons to justify it, or to rally support against it, we will never get to every truth in the matter.

What people are missing in both sides of the debate is the big picture. People for the war in Iraq see it as a tyrant getting his just due. People against it see it as the rich getting richer, and each little tid-bit of information we gather will be used to support our sides. We can't help it, it's in our nature not to want to be caught on the wrong side.

We take from it what we can to help secure our arguments for or against.

To me, one man has decided that he has had enough of what terrorists mean to the world, and has decided to use his position in life to eradicate it. He decided that the time was now to begin. Personally, I support that decision. There's not a whole lot that I agree with, when talking about George w. Bush, because when you boil it all down, he is still just another politician. He lies, he shakes hands, and he makes his deals. No different than most, just a different flavor. But, I do support the idea that people who send others off to blow up children in a market place are a menace to human dignity, and need to be stopped. It's why I went to Afghanistan, and why I will most likely go on to other deployments. As long as my body and my Lord will let me, I will go.

It's not about the oil, although it is a hefty bounty to the victors. It's not about the riches that can be made by providing the latest weaponry, although there will surely be riches made.

It's about finally taking the last breath and hope of a terrorist out of him. It's about Jewish children that are destroyed by a crazed lunatic with tnt strapped to his belt. It's about school kids that are murdered simply because they were in school. It's about women that are abused as a matter of state policy. It's about 3,000 innocent people that died on 9/11/2001. It's about "war lords" that raid relief convoys and keep the supplies for there own needs, ignoring the needs of the very people that he keeps down by the sword. It's about Christians that are destroyed because they finally see through the lies of Islam, and are killed because if their simple faith in Christ. It's about the beheadings of civilians in the vilest way. It's about right and wrong, plain and simple. It's about someone finally saying "y'know what? I'll do it".

I just happen to agree with him on this one.

We will never perfect the running of war. Mistakes will always be made, and some will always try to cover it up. It's a sad fact, but a fact still. Why people just don't come clean and say they messed up is beyond my reasoning, and I try not to excuse them much, but in the great scheme of things, there is a whole lot more to this war we have declared than oil, riches, and fame.

Sadly, we will not stop in Iraq, because there will always be another leader that imposes his brand of insanity upon others in the human race. So, off we go.

Some say that we are enduring the wrath of the terrorists because we have brought it upon ourselves, but I don't recall sending any of these people out to rape, torture, maim, and kill any innocents with a car bomb, an airplane, or a sharpened knife, but yet some would kill me simply because I am an American, if I was captured on the street. I'm sorry, but it was going to get worse whether we launched against them or not. In fact, it was starting to get a lot worse as the years passed by, prior to 9/11.

We forget those days prior to 9/11, don't we? We forget the horror of the nightly news when we heard about another bomb going off "over there". We didn't think much of it because it never really got our clothes dirty. Remember when it shocked us to hear of it on the news?

Until the Lord sees fit to change my heart, I will continue to be ready for the next deployment. I will continue to fight them, on their ground or our, it makes no difference. I still hold the same resolve now, as I did on that terrible day. When the US leaders actually stood arm in arm, united in the cause, I stood with them and took to heart the promise to bear the pain and stand strong in a long and drawn out process. Some in our leadership have faltered in just a few short years. They made an issue of it when their dreams of being elected blinded the very resolve that they asked me to have back then. They saw an opening in which they sought to use the issue to advance their chances of being elected, and fell flat on their faces. Now, with no other recourse following their failure in the last elections, they are forever stuck with the decisions they made. Having changed sides once, I'm truly surprized that they haven't done so again, but they remain stuck with their decisions just the same.

Does anyone really think that the war would have ended if the elections turned out differently? No, it would have continued, except it would have been done the "right" way, of course.

Right?

To me, it's not a game, nor will I jump ship simply because it's unpopular now. Remember all of those flags we saw on porches, store fronts, and car windows in the weeks after 9/11? Where did they go, anyway?

Well, mine still flies!

Even if the next President is Hillary Clinton, or anyone else I'm not too fond of, I will support them if they continue the fight. It's not the person in charge that I follow, its' the Nation they lead.

So please, seek out the answers that are there. Read all sides of the issue, and come to your own conclusions. Mine is only one of millions of opinions, and that many more are out there. Listen to all, and seek what God may have in store for you.

Come to your decision, and stand by it, no matter which way you turn. If I am wrong, I can never learn from someone that has not the confidence in their heart of their convictions. If I am right, no one will believe me if I falter in my resolve.

Give your son all the love and support you can muster. Be there for him when he comes back, not only as one who is proud of his deeds, but one who simply loves your child.

But above all else, give service to God, who has made all things possible for the glory of His Name.

While looking back on my own words here, I think I have said about all I can to help people see how I feel about the wars we now wage, and I don't think I'll say much more about it again. We can only continue in the resolve we have inside ourselves. I guess there's not much point in me having to say it again anywhere else.

Thank you for listening, and helping me put into words what was so difficult in the past.

May your days be Blessed.

t.

[Christ's Free Servant]

Ted,

WOW! You should run for office!! Well, at least you should become a speech writer. That was a great speech!! You definitely have a gift. I feel the passion that is in your heart. You expressed your thoughts well. It was a joy to read what you wrote. I feel very inspired now to find out what I can about the war in Iraq. Thanks so much for the insight and for taking the time to share your views with me. As a mother of a soldier, I appreciate your words of encouragement to my son, as well.

God bless!!

See you around the boards...

[Constant]

Oorah to your son from a Warrior Marine!

[Guest charlie]

I don't know what thread you're talking about but chances are somebody didn't like it so they either made a really nasty post in order to get it deleted (so nobody else could read it) OR they went whining to the mods and asked it to be pulled (so nobody else could read it) with the general excuse being either it was too "conspiratorial" or it wasn't uplifting Christ (as if the war in Iraq is).

That's just my personal guess based on past experience at this forum.