Firm Foundation Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, Alive said: It grieves me to read this FF. Truly, it does. It feels the same as the mourning I experience when considering the degradation all around us. It grieves me when people claim they can commit horrible crimes and go to heaven without repenting and people defend that person's false doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: It grieves me when people claim they can commit horrible crimes and go to heaven without repenting and people defend that person's false doctrine. I am not defending such things. That doesn’t fit into my understanding of reality. Its seems an irrelevant fiction that’s just doesn’t compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, Alive said: I am not defending such things. That doesn’t fit into my understanding of reality. Its seems an irrelevant fiction that’s just doesn’t compute. The thing is, whether we believe in OSAS or against OSAS, if our faith is in Jesus, and our life has been changed from a life of sin to newness of life, you can be saved and have nothing to fear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: The thing is, whether we believe in OSAS or against OSAS, if our faith is in Jesus, and our life has been changed from a life of sin to newness of life, you can be saved and have nothing to fear. I agree in part. I do not agree that sonship can be annulled. It simply doesn’t fit the Plan as I understand it. Also...I think there is more than what many of us have been taught regarding Gods Grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alive said: I agree in part. I do not agree that sonship can be annulled. It simply doesn’t fit the Plan as I understand it. Also...I think there is more than what many of us have been taught regarding Gods Grace. It is funny how two people can read the same scriptures and get such a different view. I have noticed that people are pretty much on one side or the other, and both have their favorite scriptures. Here and at Christian Forums, the battle lines are drawn, and at Narrow Way, they take an open stand against OSAS in their statement of faith. Everyone pretty much agrees with each other. It makes for a different atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: The thing is, whether we believe in OSAS or against OSAS, if our faith is in Jesus, and our life has been changed from a life of sin to newness of life, you can be saved and have nothing to fear. I started to give you a big “ this is worthy” thing.......then I noticed you said “CAN” be saved....change that one word to “ WILL” be saved andI will give you a big “Attaboy”......I know that will make your day....lol... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: I started to give you a big “ this is worthy” thing.......then I noticed you said “CAN” be saved....change that one word to “ WILL” be saved andI will give you a big “Attaboy”......I know that will make your day....lol... The point I was making was that I don't judge someone's salvation based on their beliefs about OSAS. I believe there are people that are saved who believe both ways. It is not an essential doctrine. Essential doctrines would be things like belief that Jesus is the only way to the Father and belief in the deity of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2019 I haven't been here all that long, but I have been here long enough to see that those on both sides of the OSAS debate have their minds made up. I think it would make sense to stop putting so much attention on what divides everyone and focus on learning what is pleasing to God. It seems to me that most here do want to please God. Why waste so much energy on OSAS? Just focus on being a good disciple. I wonder if that is possible? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, Sonshine☀️ said: Amen, Firm. Thank you. I'm afraid we may be distressing those who are seeking and perhaps putting stumbling blocks in their search for biblical Truth. Oh how that must grieve the Holy Spirit. I would love for us all to move past this. Focus on simply learning to follow Jesus. The real born again believers should want that. Wouldn't it be nice to stop with all the strife? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 10, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted October 10, 2019 59 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: It is funny how two people can read the same scriptures and get such a different view. I have noticed that people are pretty much on one side or the other, and both have their favorite scriptures. Here and at Christian Forums, the battle lines are drawn, and at Narrow Way, they take an open stand against OSAS in their statement of faith. Everyone pretty much agrees with each other. It makes for a different atmosphere. It may sound strange to folks, but it’s not so much the scriptures that convince me...but the Lord I have come to know. And a bigger picture that is between the lines of the words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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