Resurrection Priest Posted December 12, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 467 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 153 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/20/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, BibleGuy said: Why assume Paul wrote Hebrews? I don't. I think the most likely author was Priscilla, who was taught by Paul, and herself taught Apollos. She did not identify herself as the author, because her letter would have been rejected (simply because it was written by a woman). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 12, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Resurrection Priest said: I don't. I think the most likely author was Priscilla, who was taught by Paul, and herself taught Apollos. She did not identify herself as the author, because her letter would have been rejected (simply because it was written by a woman). Interesting....what led you to that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted December 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2019 I do.....Pee Wee Herman was EVIL I wisely ignore 99.99% of your posts , but this caught my eye......this time , sir, you have gone to far ! The-Mods have been notified.......May God have mercy on us all.........Poor Pee Wee....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: I do.....Pee Wee Herman was EVIL I wisely ignore 99.99% of your posts , but this caught my eye......this time , sir, you have gone to far ! The-Mods have been notified.......May God have mercy on us all.........Poor Pee Wee....... "I wisely ignore 99.99% of your posts" Why is it wise to ignore my posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choir loft Posted December 19, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,209 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/10/1947 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 11:49 AM, BibleGuy said: I'll try that again! Why assume Paul wrote Hebrews? Thanks! Why not assume it? that's me, hollering from the choir loft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choir loft Posted December 19, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,209 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/10/1947 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 12:05 PM, BibleGuy said: "No part of a human survives physical death. " To the contrary! Moses SURVIVED: Mt.17:13. Elijah SURVIVED: Mt.17:13. Samuel SURVIVED: 1Sa.28:15. Absent from the body IMPLIES present with the Lord (not dead in the ground!) 2Cor.5:8 God is the God of the LIVING (not the dead). Mt.22:32. Thus Abraham SURVIVED (Mt.22:32;Lk.16:23). Isaac SURVIVED (Mt.22:32). Jacob SURVIVED (Mt.22:32). The poor man SURVIVED (Lk.16:22). Your list of survivors is noted. My words on the matter were not. Are you asserting the natural condition of man is to survive death? If so, then you are entirely WRONG. The WORD OF GOD asserts; Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; - Genesis 6:3a This is a simple statement that proclaims the NATURAL condition of man is to die. Does the Bible lie or are you confused? I submit the latter. “who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light” - 1 Tim 6:16 Again the BIBLE, not bibleguy, asserts that ONLY GOD possesses the nature of immortality. We may therefore conclude that man dies and that only God does not. NONE of the people you listed survived death in the occult manner you suggest. THE MESSAGE of the gospel is that God has chosen to impart His immortal life to those who surrender to Him. Those who thus serve the Lord of Hosts do not taste of the Second Death. "He who has an ear to hear what the spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt by the Second Death." - Revelation 2:11 Nowhere in the Bible is it stated or suggested that some part of man naturally survives death. Repeat: nowhere. Every single incident YOU quoted were documented instances of those who were servants of the Most High. Every one of them. The reward for righteousness in Christ is eternal life. Ergo your list is Biblically correct even as your assumptions are not. No sinner EVER receives eternal life - even for the purpose of everlasting torment. Such torture is not mentioned in the Bible either. Shall the reward of the just include a front row seat in heavenly bleachers overlooking the torture of the wicked? May it never be. God has pronounced final destruction upon sin and sinners. It will not continue in any form whatsoever. Sin and sinners are annihilated in the Lake of Fire. The fire burns. That which is cast into it is entirely consumed - meaning it does not endure. Man dies like dogs and weeds upon the earth. The glory of the gospel - the really grand good news of Christ - is that those who surrender to God's purpose will do more than survive. They will profit by His life mercifully imparted to them. It would be good Mr. bibleguy if you spent a tithe of your effort in glorifying the gospel rather than disproving it and attempting to stomp it beneath your feet. that's me, hollering from the choir loft.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, choir loft said: Why not assume it? that's me, hollering from the choir loft... Because unjustified assumptions are UNJUSTIFIED. I see no clear justification for the claim that Paul wrote Hebrews. After all, the author of Hebrews is not even identified. Edited December 19, 2019 by BibleGuy typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, choir loft said: Your list of survivors is noted. My words on the matter were not. Are you asserting the natural condition of man is to survive death? If so, then you are entirely WRONG. The WORD OF GOD asserts; Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; - Genesis 6:3a This is a simple statement that proclaims the NATURAL condition of man is to die. Does the Bible lie or are you confused? I submit the latter. “who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light” - 1 Tim 6:16 Again the BIBLE, not bibleguy, asserts that ONLY GOD possesses the nature of immortality. We may therefore conclude that man dies and that only God does not. NONE of the people you listed survived death in the occult manner you suggest. THE MESSAGE of the gospel is that God has chosen to impart His immortal life to those who surrender to Him. Those who thus serve the Lord of Hosts do not taste of the Second Death. "He who has an ear to hear what the spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt by the Second Death." - Revelation 2:11 Nowhere in the Bible is it stated or suggested that some part of man naturally survives death. Repeat: nowhere. Every single incident YOU quoted were documented instances of those who were servants of the Most High. Every one of them. The reward for righteousness in Christ is eternal life. Ergo your list is Biblically correct even as your assumptions are not. No sinner EVER receives eternal life - even for the purpose of everlasting torment. Such torture is not mentioned in the Bible either - despite the Nazi fantasies of some that it does. Shall the reward of the just include a front row seat in heavenly bleachers overlooking the torture of the wicked? May it never be. God has pronounced final destruction upon sin and sinners. It will not continue in any form whatsoever. Sin and sinners are annihilated in the Lake of Fire. The fire burns. That which is cast into it is entirely consumed - meaning it does not endure. Man dies like dogs and weeds upon the earth. The glory of the gospel - the really grand good news of Christ - is that those who surrender to God's purpose will do more than survive. They will profit by His life mercifully imparted to them. It would be good Mr. bibleguy if you spent a tithe of your effort in glorifying the gospel rather than disproving it and attempting to stomp it beneath your feet. that's me, hollering from the choir loft.... "Are you asserting the natural condition of man is to survive death? If so, then you are entirely WRONG." Of course not. "This is a simple statement that proclaims the NATURAL condition of man is to die. Does the Bible lie or are you confused? I submit the latter." Then your submission is wrong! Of COURSE humans die (Heb.9:27). "Again the BIBLE, not bibleguy, asserts that ONLY GOD possesses the nature of immortality. " You are wrong again. I AGREE with 1 Ti.6:16. "NONE of the people you listed survived death in the occult manner you suggest." You are wrong again. I never suggested death in an "occult manner". I merely proved your claim is wrong....that is, I proved that you are WRONG to claim that "NO PART of a human survives physical death". And, the verses I cited prove that SOME PART of a human DOES survive physical death....namely, their SOUL/SPIRIT survives physical death. Thus, your claim was wrong. "Nowhere in the Bible is it stated or suggested that some part of man naturally survives death. Repeat: nowhere." Sure it does! Read AGAIN: Moses SURVIVED: Mt.17:13. Elijah SURVIVED: Mt.17:13. Samuel SURVIVED: 1Sa.28:15. Absent from the body IMPLIES present with the Lord (not dead in the ground!) 2Cor.5:8 God is the God of the LIVING (not the dead). Mt.22:32. Thus Abraham SURVIVED (Mt.22:32;Lk.16:23). Isaac SURVIVED (Mt.22:32). Jacob SURVIVED (Mt.22:32). The poor man SURVIVED (Lk.16:22). CLEARLY SOME PART of these people survived (i.e., their soul/mind/spirit, and in some kind of after-life body). They were not ANNIHILATED at their physical death. SOMETHING survived. Thus, you're just wrong....that's all. "Every single incident YOU quoted were documented instances of those who were servants of the Most High. Every one of them." The rich man was NOT....Lk.16:23. "Ergo your list is Biblically correct even as your assumptions are not. " You've proven no false assumption....rather, you've proven you don't even understand my position. (again) "No sinner EVER receives eternal life - even for the purpose of everlasting torment. Such torture is not mentioned in the Bible either - despite the Nazi fantasies of some that it does." Eternal DEATH is not eternal LIFE. But it's STILL ETERNAL.... Annihilation is a TEMPORARY punishment.....you can't ETERNALLY punish a person who does not ETERNALLY exist! We are in God's image...and that's an ETERNAL image.... And Scripture testifies against you: Jude 1:7...2Th.1:9....Mk.3:29....Mt.25:46...Mt.25:41....Rev.20:10+Rev.20:15....Is.14:15-16.....Is.14:9-10...Is.66:24...Is.1:31....Mt.3:12....Mk.9:43....plus the testimonies of many who have died and returned (including a friend of mine).... "Shall the reward of the just include a front row seat in heavenly bleachers overlooking the torture of the wicked? May it never be. " Shall we pretend Is. 66:24 is not true? May it never be. We REJOICE in the judgment of the wicked (Ps.58:10;Pr.11:10;Rev.18:20;Php.4:4 + Rev.19:11ff). And yes, it is also sad.... "Man dies like dogs and weeds upon the earth. " Man is ETERNAL.....weeds are not. "It would be good Mr. bibleguy if you spent a tithe of your effort in glorifying the gospel rather than disproving it and attempting to stomp it beneath your feet." Let the reader determine whether I've opposed the Gospel. By the way, I uphold ALL SCRIPTURE....so OF COURSE I've opposed NOTHING in the Bible. But go ahead...keep hollering if you like! And hey....we don't have a good track record in our conversations....you routinely misrepresent and misunderstand my position, with false accusations galore. So I'm not optimistic about the possibility of a productive conversation here.... But I trust we can still be charitable in conversation. Let's work on that. blessings... Edited December 19, 2019 by BibleGuy typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrection Priest Posted December 20, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 467 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 153 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/20/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 11:30 AM, BibleGuy said: "Every single incident YOU quoted were documented instances of those who were servants of the Most High. Every one of them." The rich man was NOT....Lk.16:23. I thought that was PARABLE - about the arrogant Jews ("rich in their own eyes, and thought they would go to Abraham's bosom at death). They viewed the beggar, covered with sores and sitting outside the gate, as "unclean" and "outside" the kingdom. Jews thought they would go to Heaven just because they were Jews, and circumcised (therefore in Covenant). Jesus was saying - "I got news for you." The rich man begs that Lazarus be sent to warn his 5 brothers. Abraham says they will not listen, even if someone were to rise from the dead. HMMMM Caiaphas had 5 brothers, who indeed would not listen when the real Lazarus was raised from death, and then Christ Himself was raised from death. Ya think that might be a parable? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 20, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Resurrection Priest said: I thought that was PARABLE - about the arrogant Jews ("rich in their own eyes, and thought they would go to Abraham's bosom at death). They viewed the beggar, covered with sores and sitting outside the gate, as "unclean" and "outside" the kingdom. Jews thought they would go to Heaven just because they were Jews, and circumcised (therefore in Covenant). Jesus was saying - "I got news for you." The rich man begs that Lazarus be sent to warn his 5 brothers. Abraham says they will not listen, even if someone were to rise from the dead. HMMMM Caiaphas had 5 brothers, who indeed would not listen when the real Lazarus was raised from death, and then Christ Himself was raised from death. Ya think that might be a parable? Yup. "I thought that was PARABLE" Sure....but would Jesus tell us a story that's not actually true? I doubt it....after all, Jesus IS TRUTH (Jn.14:6). "Ya think that might be a parable?" Ya think Jesus bases parables upon TRUE stories? Yup....Jn.14:6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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