ReneeIW Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2019 Is the Bible clear about the role and/or duties of the Christian Church, meaning the Church leadership? I ask because there seems to be a lot of people disenchanted with the Church these days, and a lot of the complaints seem to stem from the belief that the Church was not there for them when they needed it. Sometimes I wonder if people understand how very busy and burnt out Pastors and Priests and Church leaders are. Was the Church established to provide for every single need of the believer that walks through the door, or was it primarily a place for worship and teaching? I know individual groups of Christians were instructed to care for the needs of others, but is that the job of the Church leadership? How can they possibly help everyone and offer support for every type of problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,253 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,860 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Online Share Posted October 30, 2019 To my understanding, the church is the body of Christ. As believers, we each have a part, are a part, appointed by God, to a local body. However big/small. At least, we should be. According to my understanding of scripture. I am fairly sure we are to make disciples as a body as goal. Feed the flock, preaching, teaching sharing and caring. A family, a team. Now days, people often 'feel' the church they attend is not meeting their needs. Perhaps this is true, or not. Not a good enough excuse to leave, I believe. We don't forsake our own family because we have 'normal' family problems. We try to correct them, pray about what to do, and try to improve the situation. The church body is the called body of Christ. Worth fighting for. Not abandoning at the first time our toes are stepped on. No pastor is perfect. The members should hold him in constant prayer. Lifting him up and not cutting him down for every perceived mistake. Removed and replaced if not teaching truth. This is done with real prayer and scripture, and leadership of spirit filled men willing to make a stand for the truth. Some are great counselors, some not but with those on staff. Most of my/our needs/problems were so often met by other members, friends, older seasoned believers who have been there, within our body. The ones who stayed through the tough times and not run away! As it should be. We are mission oriented. Sowing seeds, sharing the gospel, bible study. Today, feelings can get hurt easily, the enemy knows the weak ones, and strife abounds. I would venture that the vast majority of believers here at Worthy were saved in or through a bible believing church, which has been around since the first little home was used. To belittle it, to criticize it, to abandon it, and not participate in a local body if you are able to, is a statement to God of your personal judgement/responsibility of HIS body of believers. If you are lazy, and simply do not want to get up and go, endure the time and work, say so. BUT, do not group all the many God fearing bible preaching spirit led local bodies by your bad experiences. That is sin. Try to edify those who are making a stand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, Sower said: Now days, people often 'feel' the church they attend is not meeting their needs. I guess I was trying to figure out what needs the church is suppose to be meeting, to set the right expectations so that people are not always disappointed and losing faith in the church. 1 hour ago, Sower said: Feed the flock, preaching, teaching sharing and caring. A family, a team. Amen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 hours ago, ReneeIW said: Is the Bible clear about the role and/or duties of the Christian Church, meaning the Church leadership? I ask because there seems to be a lot of people disenchanted with the Church these days, and a lot of the complaints seem to stem from the belief that the Church was not there for them when they needed it. Sometimes I wonder if people understand how very busy and burnt out Pastors and Priests and Church leaders are. Was the Church established to provide for every single need of the believer that walks through the door, or was it primarily a place for worship and teaching? I know individual groups of Christians were instructed to care for the needs of others, but is that the job of the Church leadership? How can they possibly help everyone and offer support for every type of problem? Actually, the duty of us all is to walk with the Lord. One might ask, what is it the Lord wants us to do? First, I'd say he wants us to obey his commandments. For me, that is the foundation of the church. Obedience to the Lord leads to peace of mind for all of us. As far as taking care of the wants of everyone who walks through the door, the Lord would like us to help those who have legitimate needs. And we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2019 8 hours ago, ReneeIW said: Is the Bible clear about the role and/or duties of the Christian Church, meaning the Church leadership? I ask because there seems to be a lot of people disenchanted with the Church these days, and a lot of the complaints seem to stem from the belief that the Church was not there for them when they needed it. Sometimes I wonder if people understand how very busy and burnt out Pastors and Priests and Church leaders are. Was the Church established to provide for every single need of the believer that walks through the door, or was it primarily a place for worship and teaching? I know individual groups of Christians were instructed to care for the needs of others, but is that the job of the Church leadership? How can they possibly help everyone and offer support for every type of problem? I see the responsibility of the church leadership to appoint workers, not for them to do all the work. The problem is, not many are willing to share in the workload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailyprayerwarrior Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 219 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 284 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/03/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2019 Awesome post! I believe there needs to be more preaching done about the church. I agree that there are a lot of people that do really know what the church is really for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worship Warriors Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,223 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 4,864 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/18/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2019 4 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: Actually, the duty of us all is to walk with the Lord. One might ask, what is it the Lord wants us to do? First, I'd say he wants us to obey his commandments. For me, that is the foundation of the church. Obedience to the Lord leads to peace of mind for all of us. As far as taking care of the wants of everyone who walks through the door, the Lord would like us to help those who have legitimate needs. And we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. The church is called the ecclesia in the Greek. It means a governing body. The purpose of this governing body is to rule and reign with Christ as we establish his kingdom here on the earth. This is what the early church did. They were on fire for God, when they prayed the whole building shook with the power of the holy spirit. Peter was so impregnated with the presence God that even his shadow passing by would heal the sick. They were so Filled with the holy spirit and faith, that signs wonders miracles would follow the preaching of the word and thousands would be saved. The early church turned the word upside down within a few years and preached the gospels to Jerusalem Samaria and the whole roman world. This is what is missing in the church today. The holy spirit needs to breathe again on the dry bones and set in ablaze with fire again . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Worship Warriors said: This is what is missing in the church today. The holy spirit needs to breathe again on the dry bones and set in ablaze with fire again . First there needs to be faith, which this age seriously lacks. Once there is a spark of faith, the Holy Spirit will bellow the flames! Even Jesus could not do many works where of their unbelief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,953 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,871 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, OneLight said: First there needs to be faith, which this age seriously lacks. Once there is a spark of faith, the Holy Spirit will bellow the flames! Even Jesus could not do many works where of their unbelief. Yes, without faith it is impossible to please God, but this means faith in God and His Word, not in man, not in denominations, not in programs, and certainly not in false docrine of any description. 25 minutes ago, Worship Warriors said: The church is called the ecclesia in the Greek. It means a governing body. Here is a more accurate description of ecclesia... literally it means "the called out ones," from Greek ek "out of" and klesis "a calling" (kaleo "to call") The word church was planted in the KJV as a political move to supress the congregation and maintain the paganistic control of a clergy class. ecclesia (ɪˈkliːzɪə) n, pl -siae (-zɪˌiː) 1. (Ecclesiastical Terms) (in formal Church usage) a congregation 2. (Historical Terms) the assembly of citizens of an ancient Greek state [C16: from Medieval Latin, from Late Greek ekklēsia assembly, from ekklētos called, from ekkalein to call out, from kalein to call] Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worship Warriors Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,223 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 4,864 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/18/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Michael37 said: Yes, without faith it is impossible to please God, but this means faith in God and His Word, not in man, not in denominations, not in programs, and certainly not in false docrine of any description. Here is a more accurate description of ecclesia... literally it means "the called out ones," from Greek ek "out of" and klesis "a calling" (kaleo "to call") The word church was planted in the KJV as a political move to supress the congregation and maintain the paganistic control of a clergy class. ecclesia (ɪˈkliːzɪə) n, pl -siae (-zɪˌiː) 1. (Ecclesiastical Terms) (in formal Church usage) a congregation 2. (Historical Terms) the assembly of citizens of an ancient Greek state [C16: from Medieval Latin, from Late Greek ekklēsia assembly, from ekklētos called, from ekkalein to call out, from kalein to call] Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014 That assembly of citizens , the called out ones were a governing body that could legislate laws. The church is meant to govern in the heavenlies , to take dominion , to fulfill the dominion mandate, bring heaven down to earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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