KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? What Law of the Jews was Jesus quoting from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. What Law of the Jews was Paul quoting from? Torah??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Resurrection Priest said: BibleGuy, We have talked about this at length. The priesthood is the ONLY THING specifically "changed" under the New Covenant. The priesthood was "changed" - FROM the Levite/Aaronic TO the Melchizedek priesthood order of "the firstborn". This is a "change" BACK to the original order (The Son of God being THE "Firstborn"). Just as the New Covenant replaces the First Covenant, the Melchizedek priesthood replaces the Aaronic priesthood. You keep preaching that the entire First Covenant - with every command and symbolic prophetic ceremony unchanged, passes straight into the the age post Cross. I do not accept that. Why would God command that we do something, that we CANNOT do - travel up to Jerusalem, to offer animal sacrifices? And that for almost 2000 years. The blood of lambs and goats and bulls, IS NOT essential to our salvation. If it were, the LORD would have restored that Temple on the Mount. Yes, we've been over it..... But ALL Torah will be obeyed (Dt.30:1-8) in the future, or else Moses is a false prophet. Simple enough. Believe Moses, or your anti-Moses theology. You can't have both. "I do not accept that." I accept Jesus' words. ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) applies to ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). I've warned you! "Why would God command that we do something, that we CANNOT do - travel up to Jerusalem, to offer animal sacrifices? And that for almost 2000 years. " OBVIOUSLY! We are still being punished for our DISOBEDIENCE. That's WHY we were cast out of the land. We don't return to God until the LATTER DAYS (Dt. 4:30).....and the resistance widely expressed (even in this forum) confirms the reason we are still banished from our homeland. "The blood of lambs and goats and bulls, IS NOT essential to our salvation. " It is for David (Ps.51:12,19). Paul applies the Psalms to you (Eph.5:19;Col.3:16). So, when we return to inherit our land, we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8)....SACRIFICES INCLUDED! (Mal.3:4;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Zec.6;Zec.14;Is.66). "If it were, the LORD would have restored that Temple on the Mount." Don't worry! Jesus WILL restore the sacrifices "as in the days of old, as in former years" (Mal.3:4) in the temple (Eze.40-47) He will rebuild (Zec.6) to fulfill the Davidic Covenant (Jer.33), Sabbath (Is.66), Sukkot for ALL NATIONS (Zec.14) with punishment against those who refuse, and with 100% obedience to ALL Torah (thus including SACRIFICES! Dt. 30:1-8) at that time. We are STILL in diaspora (Jas.1:1). We have NOT yet inherited the land promised to us (Gal.3:29;Mt.5:5). It's yet FUTURE (Dt.30:1-8) for the LATTER DAYS (Dt. 4:30). So, until then, we do what we can.... blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Resurrection Priest said: Jerusalem Council instruction to new Gentile converts: Acts 15:20 "but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols (second commandment) and from fornication and from what is strangled (Lev. 19:26) and from blood (that's God's command to Noah Gen.9:4). (NAS) How do we define "fornication"? The word means "unlawful sex". According to what law? Answer: The law of Moses. The Law of Moses is still the reference point. In our present civil culture, under present civil law, almost any sexual behavior is "lawful". But we who believe in God, do not look to our civil laws to know what sexual behavior is "lawful" in the sight of God. Only "the priesthood" has been "changed". "Only "the priesthood" has been "changed". " Then Moses lied (Dt.30:1-8). I'll stick with the Bible. Even the SAME TORAH which passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Resurrection Priest said: The Levite/Aaronic priesthood was changed under the New Covenant, to the Melchizedek priesthood. But the Melchizedek priesthood could not minister at the Temple existing in Jerusalem. The Levites still maintained control. The LORD would need to destroy that Temple along with it's priesthood. This He did. "The Levite/Aaronic priesthood was changed under the New Covenant, to the Melchizedek priesthood. " Then Moses lied (Dt.30:1-8). I'll stick with the Bible. AND, the LEVITICAL and MELCHIZEDEK priesthoods function SIMULTANEOUSLY! After all, Jesus functioned in his Melchizedek capacity, yet the Levitical Priesthood CONTINUES into the NEW COVENANT ERA (Mt.5:24 + Mt. 28:19-20;(Mk.11:17 citing Is.56:7) + Mt.28:19-20;Heb.8:10 + Jer.31:33;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1;Ac.21 + 1Cor.11:1;Ac.6:7). So again, your change is UNBIBLICAL. Let's get back to the Bible. Thanks. "The LORD would need to destroy that Temple along with it's priesthood. " Wrong. The LORD comes to RESTORE that very Priesthood (Mal.3:4) to fulfill Dt. 30:1-8;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Is.66;Zec.6;Zec.14;Is.66;Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16;Eze.36:27. THIS HE WILL. blessings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 55 minutes ago, KJVOnly said: Two Laws of the O.T. or 1 Law per testament? TWO LAWS: OBEDIENCE or DISOBEDIENCE. They are BOTH IN Dt. 30:15-19. Paul APPLIES Dt. 30 to you (Rom.10:8) thus UPHOLDING BOTH LAWS. But! The law of sinful disobedience and death (Dt.30:15-19) does NOT apply to us in Christ (Rom.8:2). Why? Because we are FORGIVEN of sins (Mt.1:21) and we OBEY in faith (Rom.10:8 citing Dt. 30:14)! Thus, the law of OBEDIENCE (Dt.30:15-19;1Jn.5:3;Mt.5:19;2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19) and LIFE (Mt. 4:4;Dt.8:3;30:15-19;32:47;Jn.6:63 + Mt.5:19;Jn.14:6 + Mt.23:2-3,23) is in force for us. NOT the law of disobedience and death. But they are BOTH Torah. That's why you must CHOOSE! CHOOSE LIFE! (Dt.30:15-19) So OBEY! blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, KJVOnly said: But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Yikes! "The Law" is multiple Laws? "The Law" is partial Law, not all? Interesting....who decides which one to adhere to, the U.S. congress? YOU CHOOSE! OBEY AND LIVE, or DISOBEY AND DIE Two categories of law within the Torah. BOTH categories pass into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33). SO CHOOSE LIFE (Dt.30:15-19). So OBEY! OR.... Choose disobedience and death (Dt.30:15-19;Mt.5:20;7:21-23;13:41-42). Choice is yours. Torah-OBEDIENCE is sufficient for eternal life (Lk.10:25-28). That's a good reason to OBEY! blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,033 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,944 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted December 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, KJVOnly said: Can't find "Torah" in the Bible. Who invented that phrase? Who said only 5 books are "Law" books? DYGI (Did You Google It) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 55 minutes ago, KJVOnly said: LOL...Saints ordered to smite the heathen, now? Question...would you burn a homosexual at the stake or stone an adulterer as prescribed by the O.T. Law, if civil laws of the land allowed you to? "LOL...Saints ordered to smite the heathen, now?" Punishing sin is not a laughing matter.... It's a terrible evil consequence of terrible evil actions.... "Question...would you burn a homosexual at the stake or stone an adulterer as prescribed by the O.T. Law, if civil laws of the land allowed you to?" If our countries upheld the Torah death penalties....then sin would be PROFOUNDLY reduced, by virtue of the DETERRENT of the law itself, and by virtue of the execution of people who committed death-penalty-warranting crimes. That's a good thing. Why would you not want that? And why do you keep saying "burn a homosexual" or "burn an adulterer".... Lev. 20:10,13 does not require execution by burning. I've heard the claim that the Torah death penalties were, in fact, rarely implemented back in the full-blown Torah-days of Israel.....again confirming that the law was effective in reducing sin. And again, that's a GOOD thing. Why would you not want that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,033 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,944 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, BibleGuy said: "Question...would you burn a homosexual at the stake or stone an adulterer as prescribed by the O.T. Law, if civil laws of the land allowed you to?" No, I would have mercy on them in the hope they would repent and come into redeeming fellowship with Christ and His body of believers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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