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Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

There were some that were preaching a gospel to the Galatians that perverted Paul's gospel. To be another gospel it had to be other than that preached by Paul.

Another gospel could only be preached to those who had heard and received the gospel preached by Paul. To be another gospel it could only be preached "unto you" (Romans 1:8-9); only those who had Paul's gospel preached unto them and had been "received" by them (Romans 1:9).

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )

Peter and Paul were not preaching the same gospel. Peter was preaching the gospel of the Davidic kingdom on earth to Israel. Paul was preaching that all were freely justified by the redemption of Christ.

Peter and Paul had seperate ministries; Peter was sent to the circumcision (the Jews), and Paul was sent to the uncircumcision (the Gentiles).

Peter was not accursed for preaching another gospel because he was not preaching it to those who had received Paul's gospel.

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.

Paul is citing Isaiah 52:15 in Romans 15:21. Paul never went to those who heard and received Christ by believing the gospel preached by Peter and the apostles.

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Those ACCURSED were opposed to Paul's Gospel which requires that we HOLD FAST THE WORD PAUL PREACHED (1Cor.15:2).

AND!

Paul preached the word of FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt.30:14 at Rom.10:8).

Thus, those are ACCURSED who oppose the Gospel of faithful Torah-obedience......

Unless, of course, you oppose it in ignorance....because God makes provision for forgiveness of sins committed in ignorance....and there's LOTS of (mainly unintentional) ignorance among us.....

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If you read the whole letter along with the references he makes in chapter 2 to the events of Acts 15, he's clearly referring to the group of the Circumcision (a sect having its origin in the church at Jerusalem) which preached, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses." Acts 15:5 Their gospel was that one must have FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE in order to be saved. He's wishing such people be accursed. 

 

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3 minutes ago, bcbsr said:

If you read the whole letter along with the references he makes in chapter 2 to the events of Acts 15, he's clearly referring to the group of the Circumcision (a sect having its origin in the church at Jerusalem) which preached, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses." Acts 15:5 Their gospel was that one must have FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE in order to be saved. He's wishing such people be accursed. 

 

No.  You missed the "σῴζω" context of Ac. 15 (Ac. 15:1,11).

The circumcision party required CIRCUMCISION+TORAH-OBEDIENCE as proof of SALVATION ("σῴζω", Ac. 15:1).

But we are saved by GRACE ("σῴζω", Ac. 15:11), not by CIRCUMCISION+TORAH-OBEDIENCE.

Does this mean circumcision is abolished?  Of course not.  Nobody ever cancelled Lev.12:3.

Nobody ever cancelled Torah.

Ac. 15 does not cancel JESUS.

Jesus requires ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (given Mt.28:19-20).

Sure, we are SAVED by grace.

But we are SANCTIFIED by the word of truth (Jn.17:17) which, of course, includes TORAH (Ps.119:142).

 

After all, that SAME PAUL requires Torah (2Ti.3:16).

Ac. 15 and 2Ti.3:16 MUST be consistent.  And they are!

SAVED BY GRACE (Ac.15:11).

SANCTIFIED by Torah (Jn.17:17+Ps.119:142).

 

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2 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

No.  You missed the "σῴζω" context of Ac. 15 (Ac. 15:1,11).

The circumcision party required CIRCUMCISION+TORAH-OBEDIENCE as proof of SALVATION ("σῴζω", Ac. 15:1).

But we are saved by GRACE ("σῴζω", Ac. 15:11), not by CIRCUMCISION+TORAH-OBEDIENCE.

Does this mean circumcision is abolished?  Of course not.  Nobody ever cancelled Lev.12:3.

Nobody ever cancelled Torah.

Ac. 15 does not cancel JESUS.

Jesus requires ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (given Mt.28:19-20).

Sure, we are SAVED by grace.

But we are SANCTIFIED by the word of truth (Jn.17:17) which, of course, includes TORAH (Ps.119:142).

 

After all, that SAME PAUL requires Torah (2Ti.3:16).

Ac. 15 and 2Ti.3:16 MUST be consistent.  And they are!

SAVED BY GRACE (Ac.15:11).

SANCTIFIED by Torah (Jn.17:17+Ps.119:142).

 

blessings...

 

And yet you say "those are ACCURSED who oppose the Gospel of faithful Torah-obedience" Yet the people Paul is calling accursed are those who were saying, "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." and "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses." and in fact regarding those in the Church at Jerusalem holding such a position he says, "This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves." Gal 2:4

and as for circumcision, well I could quote many verses in Galatians that fly in the face of your interpretation. Consider Gal 5:2  Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. Yet the Law of Moses demands circumcision. So do you demand that Christians get circumcised? Or should they not obey the Law of Moses?

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" And yet you say "those are ACCURSED who oppose the Gospel of faithful Torah-obedience" Yet the people Paul is calling accursed are those who were saying, "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." and "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses." "

 

Exactly.  The circumcision party required CIRCUMCISION+TORAH as a condition of identifying Gentiles as SAVED.....and of course, this is wrong.  Torah does not even require such a thing!

Thus, the circumcision party was NOT requiring FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE....rather, the circumcision party was requiring Torah IN PLACE of faith.....and THAT is what Paul opposed in Galatians.

Remember?  Paul OPPOSES law without faith (Gal.5:4-5).

Paul REQUIRES faith (Hab.2:4) and faith is of TORAH (Ps.119:30,86,138).

Thus, the circumcision party required law without faith.

Paul requires Law (Rom.2:13) AND faith (Rom.5:1) for justification.

Both.

Together.

 

" "This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves." Gal 2:4 "

Exactly.  We are free to be saved in Christ WITHOUT needing to do CIRCUMCISION+TORAH as a prerequisite for being identified as saved.

We are FREE to obey Torah faithfully in Christ AFTER being saved by grace through faith.

We are FREE from the terrible idea that we should be slaves to CIRCUMCISION+TORAH as a prerequisite for being identified as saved.

Instead, we are saved by GRACE (Ac.15:11).  AND!  GRACE is given to the humble (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34); AND humble people obey Torah (Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Ex.33:13;Zep.2:3).

So we still need to obey Torah......we're just not SAVED by faithless Torah-obedience.

Rather, we are saved AND we obey Torah FAITHFULLY.

The circumcision party OPPOSED faith.

We in Christ UPHOLD faith.  And faith is of Torah (Mt.23:23).

 

" Consider Gal 5:2  Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. "

Agreed!  After all, Torah does NOT require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision.

That's why the Torah-obedient Paul requires TORAH (but not adult-convert circumcision, 1Cor.7:19)....because Torah does not even require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision.

 

" the Law of Moses demands circumcision. "

The ongoing mark of circumcision in Mosaic Torah is via INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3), NOT adult circumcision.

 

" So do you demand that Christians get circumcised? Or should they not obey the Law of Moses? "

Forget about me!  Do what the BIBLE requires!  Jesus requires ALL Torah (Mt.5:19).  John agrees (1Jn.5:3).  Paul agrees (2Ti.3:16).  Stephen agrees (Ac.6:10-15).

BUT! 

Does Torah require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision?     I don't think so.

Rather, the ongoing mark of circumcision is INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3)....same thing in Ge. 17....the ONGOING mark is via INFANT circumcision (Ge.17:12).

 

CONCLUSION:  Obey the Torah of Moses AND circumcise males on the 8th day, to the extent possible in this present diaspora.....after all, Paul NEVER opposed Lev.12:3.

 

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BibleGuy keeps repeating, "keep the Torah."  "Keep the Torah."  "Keep the Torah." 

But there has been "a change of the law" under the New Covenant, specifically a change that involves "the priesthood"  (Hebrews 7:12).  

Under the New Covenant the LORD has commanded us to eat "the bread" and drink "the cup" (of Passover) to "show the LORD's death til he comes".   Paul did NOT tell his Gentile converts to be circumcised, so that they could eat sacrificed roast lamb in remembrance of Christ's death. 

The Apostle Paul very clearly said that believers should NOT be circumcised to enter in to covenant with God through Christ.  That is what baptism is for. 

1 Corinthians 6:11  “But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”

If one is already "justified" at baptism, why go to seek it from a Levite priest at the Jerusalem Temple, where an uncircumcised man could not enter anyway?  Why seek it from a priesthood that has been "changed"?

    1 Corinthians 7:18-20  “Was anyone called while uncircumcised?  Let him not be circumcisedCircumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.  Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.”

If "keeping the commandments of God" (under the New Covenant) has to include circumcision, then Paul was double-speaking.  You can't have it both ways. 

Circumcision is either "nothing" or it's something that "matters". 

When Paul wrote "keeping the commandments of God is what matters", I believe he was simply referring to The Ten Commandments - written by God Himself.  He did say "commandments" - plural. 

 

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Galatians 5:6  “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.”

Galatians 6:15 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.”

    Romans 2:26-29  “Therefore, if an uncircumcised man [a Gentile convert to the gospel] keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?”

How could one keep the requirements of the TORAH, WITHOUT being circumcised?  (Circumcision was commanded in the Torah, as a sign of covenant with God.)  Something must have changed in the Law - under the New Covenant.

Romans 3:30 “There is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.”

        Both circumcised and uncircumcised are “justified” by faith.

    Colossians 2:11 “In Him [in Christ] you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ.”

If a man has "the circumcision of Christ", what need is there to seek physical circumcision by man? 

    Philippians 3:2-3  “Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,”

 

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11 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

" the Law of Moses demands circumcision. "

The ongoing mark of circumcision in Mosaic Torah is via INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3), NOT adult circumcision.

You might want to actually read the Law of Moses:

Ex 12:48  "And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it."

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1 hour ago, bcbsr said:

You might want to actually read the Law of Moses:

Ex 12:48  "And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it."

You might want to actually compare Ex. 12:43 with Is.56:3-7....thus proving that the instructions in Ex.12 are CONTEXT-SPECIFIC and they are NOT all applicable to all subsequent Pesach celebrations.

That's why Paul can COMMAND Pesach (1Cor.5:7-8) while NOT requiring that those Corinthians be circumcised (1Cor.7:19)....because the ONGOING mark of circumcision is INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3)....NOT adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision.

 

 

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