johnthebaptist Posted December 12, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: If Paul said it......Jesus said it....... “ Follow me as I follow Christ” “ ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God .......” Jesus lived in the Age Of Law and preached Law in His earthly Ministry. We are not living under Law.Ever since Jesus returned to Heaven , we are living in the Age Of Grace. Many changes took place after Jesus Shed His Blood for us at the Cross.......Jesus used Paul as His Secretary to reveal all of the great changes brought about by the New Covenant Of Grace......Anybody that relegates Paul to a position of “ take him or leave him”is in a state of ignorance that is profound in its implications. Ignore Paul and YOU pay the price . If Paul said it, Jesus said it? I disagree. Paul was very wise but he wasn't perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douge Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 354 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 964 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 181 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) On 12/11/2019 at 1:15 PM, johnthebaptist said: If Jesus said, "Get me a fish," one person could do that. We wouldn't all have to do that, would we? No we wouldn't and You are giving another example of right division Edited December 13, 2019 by douge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 8:48 PM, johnthebaptist said: If Paul said it, Jesus said it? I disagree. Paul was very wise but he wasn't perfect. but if the Holy Spirit allowed it to be put into the Bible, I would think that everyone should pay attention to it..... however not everything that Paul said was intended for everyone today..... for that matter neither was everything that Jesus Said meant for everyone today.... one much pay attention not only what was said but to whom it was said and what time period it pertained to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, other one said: but if the Holy Spirit allowed it to be put into the Bible, I would think that everyone should pay attention to it..... however not everything that Paul said was intended for everyone today..... for that matter neither was everything that Jesus Said meant for everyone today.... one much pay attention not only what was said but to whom it was said and what time period it pertained to. Maybe the Lord allowed things to put into the Bible to see if we really loved our neighbor. For example, Paul told women not to speak in church. We can all see that is unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said: Maybe the Lord allowed things to put into the Bible to see if we really loved our neighbor. For example, Paul told women not to speak in church. We can all see that is unfair. unless you understand the history of the people he was speaking to and did not mean that for the whole world.... Remember that our books that Paul wrote were to different groups of people with different problems in their churches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, other one said: unless you understand the history of the people he was speaking to and did not mean that for the whole world.... Remember that our books that Paul wrote were to different groups of people with different problems in their churches. Either the words stand for all time, or they don't stand at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: Either the words stand for all time, or they don't stand at all. words stand fine, but to whom were they spoken..... the example earlier where it is said Jesus said, "bring me a fish." he was speaking to a single individual for that time period, not the whole world in general. Makes a difference especially in trying to bring old testament things into the new covenant. but that's a whole different rabbit hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, other one said: words stand fine, but to whom were they spoken..... the example earlier where it is said Jesus said, "bring me a fish." he was speaking to a single individual for that time period, not the whole world in general. Makes a difference especially in trying to bring old testament things into the new covenant. but that's a whole different rabbit hole. You can't say it was wrong for women to speak in church then, but it's okay now. It was always okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,856 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2019 56 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: You can't say it was wrong for women to speak in church then, but it's okay now. It was always okay. https://margmowczko.com/pauls-personal-greetings-to-women-ministers/ to save me a whole lot of typing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 13, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, other one said: https://margmowczko.com/pauls-personal-greetings-to-women-ministers/ to save me a whole lot of typing... Maybe you would capsulize that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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