JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 Just now, Margo1945 said: true, ignorance is no excuse .. and not fair to assume Eve just said that and made it all seem so innocent .. and Eve could only deceive Adam IF Adam let her .. he could have pinned her down to give all info about Satan .. I think the account in Genesis shows clearly that Adam chose to eat the fruit, knowing he would disobeying the Lord in doing so Adam was not deceived, 1 Timothy 2 says. He listened to the voice of his wife (Genesis 3). The only way this can work is that Eve withheld from Adam the fruit she encouraged him to eat was the forbidden fruit. That is defrauding Adam not deceiving him. Deceiving him would have been convincing him that the fruit was not what God said it was (as the devil had done to Eve). Adam could not have deliberately eaten the fruit (knowing it was the forbidden fruit) either as some have sermonized... God said he listened to the voice of his wife. If he ate it deliberately, it would not have been for listening to her voice. I was going to say 'it wasn't the first time a woman defrauded a man...' but actually it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 Personal opinion: The fact that the woman (Eve) was the mother of the fall / the first human to sin (even though Adam was charged with responsibility for it) has proven to be a curse upon womenkind not only in painful child bearing, but the stigmas and set backs women must endure for all time (till Jesus comes) how women have to work harder for less reward than men (not necessarily wages only), women are exploited by themselves and by others (including other women), the natural tendency to think a woman is faking it when she is under the weather, the insecurities with men and competition with other women... Who blames all their emotional problems on their fathers? Only on mothers (generally speaking). It's a hard rap to bear. Objectification at every turn. Menstrual cramps... etc. High heels... Okay now I'm getting carried away... If anyone can find a source reason for all these other than the original sin... I'm open to discuss it. We should help and pray for one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Margo1945 said: why are you all making excuses for Adam .. first of all, there is no excuse for his giving into his weakness and secondly, I think the account clearly shows that he took the fruit and ate of it willingly .. if he had been concerned about disobeying God, I think he would have drilled Eve more and then not have eaten the fruit .. Adam was as guilty as Eve and maybe even more so I am not. I said (sigh) repeatedly there is no excuse for his ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 I am all for equality right down the line. We are all of equal worth. But as to what we are burdened with, I would say women have men beat hands down. Women have a heavier burden in life. True equality was before the fall. Eve just didn't know it until it was too late. What the devil convinced Eve of (deceived) was that no one would look out for her interests more than herself... and that God was holding out on her about gaining the knowledge how to go about looking out for her own interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,206 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted January 12, 2020 57 minutes ago, JohnD said: Again, the admonition was "according to Law." In the old synagogues they separated men and women (even married couples) half on one side... Didn't you guys ever see Fiddler on the Roof??? This was Old Covenant. Yes, the Old Covenant, and not for the Body of Christ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: Yes, the Old Covenant, and not for the Body of Christ. There are a couple of places in the New Testament where it is apparent even the Apostles were having some difficulty letting go of Law and embracing Grace. James comes to mind but I cannot recall the example. Also the idea that water baptism played a role in salvation was another example when clearly John the (water) Baptist contrasted water baptism with the baptism of the Holy Spirit which IS essential for salvation... belief in Christ itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,206 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted January 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, JohnD said: There are a couple of places in the New Testament where it is apparent even the Apostles were having some difficulty letting go of Law and embracing Grace. James comes to mind but I cannot recall the example. Also the idea that water baptism played a role in salvation was another example when clearly John the (water) Baptist contrasted water baptism with the baptism of the Holy Spirit which IS essential for salvation... belief in Christ itself. Hi JohnD, It was when Peter was trying to get the Gentiles to act like Jews. (Gal. 2: 14) regards, Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,206 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted January 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, Margo1945 said: was that the one where Peter and Paul had a falling out .. Paul accused Peter? Yes Margo, `But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I (Paul) said to Peter before them all, "If you being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel gentiles to live as Jews?" (Gal. 2: 14) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerDC Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/08/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, BeauJangles said: Esther – According to the Bible, Esther was a Jewish queen of the Persian king Ahasuerus. Her story is the basis for the celebration of Purim in Jewish tradition. This examples indicates that the Jewish people honored women before the United States. It wasn’t until 1911 when the International women’s day occurred around the week of March 8th. This whole book was written in the Bible, and guess who the hero of the story is? Esther! Go women! She was a God-honoring, loving person who demonstrated the faithfulness of God The author of the article this quotes comes from just lost all her credibility - International Women's Day was invented by servants of Satan - communists (namely, the Socialist International). So that day is the eqivalent of a demonic feast day. The author points the finger at "feminists" but her support of IWD means she herself is a feminist. Edited January 12, 2020 by RogerDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerDC Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/08/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 3 hours ago, BeauJangles said: Junia – Paul refers to a male apostle, Andronicus, and a female apostle, Junia, as outstanding among the apostles. Every Greek and Latin Church Father until Giles of Rome acknowledged that Junia was a woman. After that time, various writers and translators of the Bible resorted to various deceptions in order to suppress her gender (Romans 16:7). This is typical feminist propaganda, desperately clutching at straws and twisting the truth in the process. For starters, is not at all certain that Junia was even a woman. And Junia was not not one of the Twelve; the term "apostle" is sometimes loosely used to denote a prominent disciple, not an actual apostle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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