What is your interpretation of this scripture?

[johnthebaptist]

12 minutes ago, Coliseum said:

Then I accept that you do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture. That is your right when you defend it before God. You can believe something till the cows come home, but without anything more than your beliefs, all men can do the same. That is why the Spirit of God is in the whole Book---to prevent men from believing only what seems right in their own eyes. Blessings to you.

Paul tells us to obey our elected officials. What would you have done had you been a German and Adolph Hitler ordered you to kill a thousand Jews?

[Behold]

17 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Paul tells us to obey our elected officials. What would you have done had you been a German and Adolph Hitler ordered you to kill a thousand Jews?

Explain to Adolf that as a Believer in Christ, we are not allowed to MURDER JEWS by burning them, shooting them, or poisoning them with Gas.

Adolf spoke about Jesus, knew of the 10 commandments, etc.

He'd then kill you, but at least that would keep you from committing murder.

[Coliseum]

9 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Paul tells us to obey our elected officials. What would you have done had you been a German and Adolph Hitler ordered you to kill a thousand Jews?

I won't play "he said, she said" with you. Understand that we must not extract a passage of Scripture and not see it in context with the rest.

Paul is right, unless ---unless , as we are instructed in Acts 5:29, "But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men." So when man's law violates God's law, we obey God. Therefore, the question must rather become, "Is it acceptable in God's eyes for men to disobey his own Commandment not to murder if "Adolph Hitler ordered you to kill a thousand Jews"? The answer of course, is no.

[Behold]

38 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

COMMANDment is not a suggestion .. it is God's WILL, LAW, RULE, WORD .. not legalism .. but to be OBEYED and REPENTED when we disobey

REPENTANCE simply means "to turn back to God with a changed heart to doing His Will" ..

Keep all the commandments , all 12..., and confess all the sins you need to confess, and repent as you feel its necessary because of your sinning,  If that is what you want to do, because you feel you should.

Just don't teach all that stuff, as how God keeps you saved.

If you do, you are Galatians 1:8

Edited January 13, 2020 by Behold

[RogerDC]

23 hours ago, JohnD said:

They were wicked... but there were female angels...

Zechariah 5:5–11 (AV)
5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.
6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

Their wings were of an unclean bird...

That's an interesting passage, but it doesn't demonstrate that angels appeared as women.  Firstly, the passage is describing a vision, and biblical visions can feature all sorts of fantastic creatures that aren't necessary real, but are usually symbolic of something.  (For example, consider the leopard-like beast in Rev 13, that has ten horns and seven heads, feet like a bear and a mouth like a lion.   No such beast actually exists.)

 Secondly, the winged-women in Zechariah 5:9 are not called angels.

Thirdly, there is another woman mentioned in this passage and she is called "Wickedness".  She is carried off in the ephah by the two-winged women, to a place where a house will be built for it, so it's possible the winged-women are also wicked.    Furthermore, the women's wings are described as like those of a stork, a bird listed in Lev 11:19 as an "abomination".

[RogerDC]

On 1/12/2020 at 4:19 PM, johnthebaptist said:

Why did he put Deborah in charge of Israel, then?

Where do the Scriptures say Deborah was "in charge of Israel"?   As far I can tell, she was  a prophetess through whom God advised Israel on how to deal with an enemy on one occasion on one day.

[BeauJangles]

2 minutes ago, RogerDC said:

That's an interesting passage, but it doesn't demonstrate that angels appeared as women.  Firstly, the passage is describing a vision, and biblical visions can feature all sorts of fantastic creatures that aren't necessary real, but are usually symbolic of something.  (For example, consider the leopard-like beast in Rev 13, that has ten horns and seven heads, feet like a bear and a mouth like a lion.   No such beast actually exists.)

 Secondly, the winged-women in Zechariah 5:9 are not called angels.

Thirdly, there is another woman mentioned in this passage and she is called "Wickedness".  She is carried off in the ephah by the two-winged women, to a place where a house will be built for it, so it's possible the winged-women are also wicked.    Furthermore, the women's wings are described as like those of a stork, a bird listed in Lev 11:19 as an "abomination".

I'm with you on that one. I feel these were pre-adamic creatures. Perhaps nephilim.

 

Mystery Of The Pre-Adamic Didanum Race: Giants Who Were Ancestors Of The Nephilim and Rephaim

Ellen Lloyd - AncientPages.com - In the Bible there are many references to the giants Nephilim who were offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" before the Great Flood.

There are also a number of stories dealing with the Rephaim, another group of giants described as "a mighty people with tall stature who lived in Canaan." 

Another mysterious race that is mentioned in the Bible are the little known Didanum people, sometimes also called the Ditanu or Tidanu. The Didanum people were ancestors of the Nephilim and Rephaim.

Before we attempt to unravel the mystery of the enigmatic Didanum people, it is important to understand the story behind the Nephilim and Rephaim. How far back in the distant past can we trace the giants? The Bible tells us several interesting things:

GENESIS 6:1-4

6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. 6:3 And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not strive with man for ever, for that he also is flesh: yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years. 6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown..."

We are informed that giants, the Nephilim, the "fallen ones", existed in the antediluvian world as well as after the Great Flood. The earliest accounts of giants occur in times before Adam.

In those days, a group of celestial beings descended from heaven.

Who those celestial beings were is a matter of opinion. Some alternative ancient researchers think these divine scientists manipulated the genes of various kinds of animal life and as a result, they genetically engineered a race of humanoids of gigantic stature.

These were the first giants, the pre-Adamites.

According to the Bible those who descended to Earth and mated with the women of Earth were the "fallen angels", (the Watchers), a group of 200 high-ranked divine beings.

The giants referred to in Genesis are thus the result of interbreeding between humans and fallen angels.
The Nephilim procreated not only among themselves, but created also offspring with the homo sapiens. The offspring of the Nephilim were giants known as the "Gibborim", "heroes of old, men of renown", which are mentioned in Genesis 6. The Gibborim were not as tall and powerful as the Nephilim, but they were nevertheless a dangerous warrior race.

 

 

[RogerDC]

On 1/12/2020 at 3:36 PM, BeauJangles said:

Oh?

Great Women Leaders of the Bible – Conform to Jesus

Huldah – A prophetess who verified the authenticity of the book of the law of the Lord given through Moses, which was the book of Deuteronomy. This is an important point because that means Huldah, a woman, was educated enough to read the Scriptures, understand the hermeneutical principles involved, and gained trust by men in a culture of patriarchialism (2 Kings 22:14).

Miriam – The daughter of Aaron and a prophetess. She was one of the triad leaders of Israel during the Exodus from Egypt (Exodus 15:24).

Deborah – A prophetess judge who headed the army of ancient Israel. She was a great leader and influenced Barak, the commanding army general during that time (Judges 4-5)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re the above comments on Huldah:  I have no idea how the author came to these conclusions:  I can't find any Scripture that describes Huldah reading anything, so the claim that she could read the Scriptures and thus verify "the authenticity of the book of the law"  appears to be based on nothing but wishful thinking.   All we know is that she passed on a message from the Lord to the king of Judah, informing him of the curses and blessing that will come according to whether or not the laws in the book are kept.

Re the above comments on Miriam:   For starters, Miriam was not Aaron's daughter, but his sister.  The claim that she was a "leader" is based on one verse regarding the Exodus out of Egypt:  "I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam" (Micah 6:4).   It is worth noting that on one occasion, Miriam and Aaron sinned against Moses and as punishment, God cursed Miriam with leprosy for seven days (Numbers 12).

Re the above comments on Deborah:  Deborah was a prophetess but not the head of any army.  As for being a "great leader", on one occasion she accompanied the military leader, Barak (at his request - no doubt as some kind of God-given good-luck charm) to Mount Tabor, from where she urged him to launch his army into a victorious battle that lasted one day.

 

In other words, typical of feminist literature, it's a poor quality article.

Edited January 13, 2020 by RogerDC

[RogerDC]

On 1/12/2020 at 4:39 PM, Margo1945 said:

yes, the woman was deceived but what is Adam's excuse when he took a bite of the fruit, too .. did Eve deceive him or did he just choose to disobey God's command to them both .. Adam could have refused to take a bite of the forbidden fruit but did not, so was his sin as bad as or even worse than Eve's?

Eve's mistake was not to consult a higher authority re what the serpent told her - her husband or God Himself.

[BeauJangles]

7 minutes ago, RogerDC said:

Re the above comments on Miriam:   For starters, Miriam was not Aaron's daughter, but his sister.  The claim that she was a "leader" is based on one verse regarding the Exodus out of Egypt:  "I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam" (Micah 6:4).   It is worth noting that on one occasion, Miriam and Aaron sinned against Moses and as punishment, God cursed Miriam with leprosy for seven days (Numbers 12).

True. Admittedly a glitch on Miriam. 

 

1. Miriam (מִרְיָם Mir-yām) is described in the Hebrew Bible as the daughter of Amram and Jochebed

   Jochebed

    

   According to the Torah, Jochebed was a daughter of Levi and mother of Aaron, Miriam and Moses. She was the wife of Amram, as well as his aunt. No details are given concerning her life. According to Jewish legend, Jochebed is buried in the Tomb of the Matriarchs, in Tiberias. She is praised for her faith and the sister of Moses and Aaron. She was a prophetess and first appears in the Book of Exodus

    

    

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