Gideon Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, maryjayne said: I am confused. Do you believe people who become Born Again Christians no longer sin? I am struggling to follow your thoughts, sorry. When does this sinlessness happen? Ahh, now we are getting somewhere. LOL. Think for a minute. Look back at Ananias and Saphira. In our eyes, we wonder why there was such an extreme response. The land was theirs to do with as they wished, amen? They sold it, and gave a large portion to the church. Great! But they lied to the Holy Ghost, and pride and the desire to look better than they were overtook them. And God would have none of it. That, dear sister, was a church walking in purity. And that is who we are soon to become again before the return of our King. Now, fast forward to today. If we were told that the same mete that was measured back then would be in effect in our churches today, how many would conveniently come down with a cold and has to miss this Sunday's service? LOL. Does God change? Nope. Is it still His will, even our sanctification? you bet! It is our hearts that have been hardened, little by little until holiness is almost a legalistic dirty word, an impossibility. But it is not. Holiness is not something we DO. It is something we become by abiding in Him. We are told.... promised.... that if we abide in Him, we WILL NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh, amen? So are we to conclude abiding in Him is an impossibility? Or rather, should we not fall on our faces and ask God for the secret to HOW to abide in Him? May I tell you now, there IS a way, but before we can see it, we must hunger for it, and for the victory He has promised us. The answer is found in Romans 6, I reckon. blessings, Gideon Edited March 8, 2020 by Gideon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Neighbor said: This is so much Baloney Slices. I declare that I find the constant negativity simply the presentation of falsehoods I object to the use of the word "we", for there is no we between the negativity presented and me. I love what God so mercifully and generously leads me into. I love my Lord's church. I love the three separate bodies of Christ that I am led into participation with so many saints, each loving their Lord and the local body of Christ they participate in by the lead of the Holy Spirit both individually and corporately. I love the many individuals from each that go into the local communities, out of State, and into countries around the world, to help local individuals residing there plant new churches under local leadership and participation, places of worship of Jesus as Lord God and personal savior. I see growth in the local bodies. I see many new churches. I see great participation by so many individuals of all age ranges. I see so many new to their calling to turn about from their sin against God and to worship of Jesus their Lord getting so enthusiastically involved. I too am thoroughly enthused and greatly encouraged by the evidence of God's sovereignty, with His plan unfolding before my eyes. It is absolutely awesome. God is good so good! There is joy much joy in Jesus found in the local bodies of His church. I accept you have a different opinion. Baloney slices? ? Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 976 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 13,928 Content Per Day: 5.08 Reputation: 9,238 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gideon said: I accept you have a different opinion. Baloney slices? ? Gideon Thick sliced at that. I have a very different daily experience. So many brothers and sisters have been so kind to me and have helped so many, and do go about sacrificially giving of time, money, talent, to each other, plus are stepping up to go into all the world rather literally sharing the gospel reaching some, and then aiding those reached until they too are ready to lead their own local church bodies un der God through Christ by the Holy Spirit till they too go into all the world. One example, just one small one out of so many led by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is SOS ministries. http://www.soshope.org 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 9,608 Content Per Day: 3.90 Reputation: 7,810 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, Gideon said: "If we sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment." Is this from Hebrews? Against returning to the old sacrificial system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 516 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,205 Content Per Day: 1.42 Reputation: 3,365 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) To encourage the understanding, of the scriptural truth; “He that has died is free from sin” For in this truth, is the walking in newness of life to be found... Be blessed in the truth, Not me Edited March 8, 2020 by Not me 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Justin Adams said: Is this from Hebrews? Against returning to the old sacrificial system? And with one fell swoop, satan hopes we gut the truth of Hebrews as "old covenant" so that this does not apply to us. We are under grace! Right? We forget, conveniently, that if those under the old covenant died because of willful sin, how much more will we deserve, if we turn our backs on God's call to flee sin by abiding in Him, having counted the blood of the covenant, whereby we WERE sanctified, an unholy thing, and grieved the Spirit of grace? There will be those saints in the days to come who will continue to twist the scriptures to make continuing in sin an inevitability, so let's not be sin conscious and praise God anyway, despite what we do at home when no one can see. Do we not know God will examine the thoughts and intents of our hearts? Have we forgotten that judgment will not begin with those in the world, but those within our church doors? Will we repent of our continued sins, and cry out to God to do what He promised to do, to deliver us from the power of darkness, or will we remain content with a grace that in no way teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, that simply offers absolution with no change of heart? One of the main reasons for Martin Luther's breaking away from the catholic church was the issue of indulgences. These were pre-paid, get out of hell free cards, purchased before sin was to be committed, that not only absolved them of guilt, but also of repentance and guilt. What an evil practice, amen? But you know what? We modern Christians have one upped them. Not only do we think grace has provided us our own form of indulgences covering willful sin, but we are farcworse. Rather than paying for that sinful privilege, we proudly say "Put it on Jesus' tab. Yeah, grace!" The fact we can do so with straight faces ought to shame us, but instead we pat ourselves on the back for our "deeper understanding of grace" And God weeps. blessings, Gids Edited March 8, 2020 by Gideon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 9,608 Content Per Day: 3.90 Reputation: 7,810 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gideon said: And with one fell swoop, satan hopes we gut the truth of Hebrews as "old covenant" so that this does not apply to us. Now this is silly. You must understand context. I will talk no more about this as it is divisive and confusing to many who might read it. We are accountable for every word, so we must take care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.38 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gideon said: And with one fell swoop, satan hopes we gut the truth of Hebrews as "old covenant" so that this does not apply to us. We are under grace! Right? We forget, conveniently, that if those under the old covenant died because of willful sin, how much more will we deserve, if we turn our backs on God's call to flee sin by abiding in Him, having counted the blood of the covenant, whereby we WERE sanctified, an unholy thing, and grieved the Spirit of grace? There will be those saints in the days to come who will continue to twist the scriptures to make continuing in sin an inevitability, so let's not be sin conscious and praise God anyway, despite what we do at home when no one can see. Do we not know God will examine the thoughts and intents of our hearts? Have we forgotten that judgment will not begin with those in the world, but those within our church doors? Will we repent of our continued sins, and cry out to God to do what He promised to do, to deliver us from the power of darkness, or will we remain content with a grace that in no way teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, that simply offers absolution with no change of heart? One of the main reasons for Martin Luther's breaking away from the catholic church was the issue of indulgences. These were pre-paid, get out of hell free cards, purchased before sin was to be committed, that not only absolved them of guilt, but also of repentance and guilt. What an evil practice, amen? But you know what? We modern Christians have one upped them. Not only do we think grace has provided us our own form of indulgences covering willful sin, but we are farcworse. Rather than paying for that sinful privilege, we proudly say "Put it on Jesus' tab. Yeah, grace!" The fact we can do so with straight faces ought to shame us, but instead we pat ourselves on the back for our "deeper understanding of grace" And God weeps. blessings, Gids Once again-an individual who is making a fight against something that isn't being said--by anyone. There are many threads like this one, friend. Why haven't you responded to the posts in this thread that deal with God's solution for 'holiness'? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, Not me said: To encourage the understanding, of the scriptural truth; “He that has died is free from sin” For in this truth, is the walking in newness of life to be found... Be blessed in the truth, Not me There is deep truth here. Where does the strength of sin come from? From the law. He who is dead is freed from the law, amen? Ahhhh, but what if we do not believe we are dead to our old nature? What if we never reckon ourselves dead and put on our new natures by faith. We give satan huge opportunity to continue to give sin power over us. Those days are coming to an end. Some will have ears to hear. Some will not. But to those tired of being ruled by porn, by lust, by worldliness, by covetousness, by jealousy, by self love, a new day is dawning as they realize who they are in Christ. A separation is beginning. Those who love the light will come to it and be fully set free by the God who promises to sanctify us wholly, body, soul and spirit. Those who want to use the light to excuse their continuance in darkness, with no desire to be set free from it, will fight tooth and nail to remain half in and half out. This sitting on the fence will soon not be an option. Welcome to the valley of decision. blessings, Gideon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted March 8, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 516 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,205 Content Per Day: 1.42 Reputation: 3,365 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, maryjayne said: I ask again: do you believe that born again Christians do not sin? If I may be so bold as to enter into this question with an answer.. We, as those born from above can be as free from sin as Paul was when he stated; 1 Corinthians 4:4 (NASB) For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord. Paul was saying that he knew of no sin in himself ...But than goes on to say that just because he knew of no sin that didn’t mean there wasn’t any. “It is the Lord that examines me”.... Meaning that from God’s eyes, the view of sinlessness was still lacking. For in another place Paul says “I have not arrived” for if he had arrived at a sinless state, he would have arrived.. Hope it helps a little with your walk with God, Not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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