What Would You Do? - Child Sick Speed Chase

[Guest]

On 3/12/2020 at 12:11 PM, The Survivor said:

If that is what YOU would do, then that is your choice.

For others, they can not stop. Every second counts. Your child slit her wrists or is in a car wreck. You know every second matters. Can you chance knowing you got to your child the moment the doctor says, if only you were here 30 seconds ago?" All because you stopped for a police chat?

Also, no. Not every police officer will help. Some will question you. Some want your ID. Some want you out of the car and will cuff you on the spot. Personal experiences in one way or another from the eyes in my head, believe me. So, not everyone will want to chance stopping.

By the time someone got done reading this, they wasted their time instead of getting to that child of theirs. Every nano second!!!

I did ask what YOU would do, and you answered. Thanks.

So, why don't you just rant about your experience and not ask the question?

[The Survivor]

59 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said:

So, why don't you just rant about your experience and not ask the question?

Rant on what? I been through mine and seen plenty. Wanted to hear if anyone have been through any real, or hypothetical, of the same involving the similar scenario. Wanted to see what others would do if/when faced in that situation.

For example, I knew a bloke many, many... many long ages ago whose wife told him to hurry to the hospital because their son was in a terrible situation. He was far of a drive from work and desperately tried to make it. A police officer pulls him over and he decided to stop. He is waiting, frantically, for the two officers to take their time walking over. They wanted his ID. His car paper things. They did not believe him. They saw him panicking. Thought he was drunk. Ran his plates!! All he wanted was to see his boy. Every. Second. Counts. Son perished. Father never made it to the hospital. Heck, he never made it to the hospital that weekend! He was arrested and held for 48h for "resisting arrest" because, you know.... cops always right (but, ummmm, shhhhh, I know a few hundred things I can share about that later at another time).

(No, that was not me as any person in that story else I be honest about it.)

But hey, all is well. Then he eventually got laid off in the 1990s. And then, ummm, could not get rehired because of a dumb "criminal record", and, uh, well..... now I feel bad thinking he still owes me $39 from a poker game in 1987. But that another story....!

I go by a personal rule... "learn from the mistakes of others so that you do not have to make them yourself." My rule. Copy write me. You do not need to go by it. But for me, well, let us say, I have survived longer than I should have.

So again, why rant? That be bragging about something. I came to ask a question about other people to see what they would do. They can answer or not on what they would or would not do, regardless how they think I should think. Because, you never know when you might get a real inspiration story out of it from someplace you knew knew one could come from.

Thanks.

[NotAllThere]

Where does it all end? Call in a drone to take out the cops trying to stop you? 

Balance of risk. Don't stop, risk getting blocked with further delay. Do stop, maybe get help, maybe not. Drive as fast as you can and risk crashing yourself. Weigh up the risks, factor in the recalcitrance of the police in your local area and act accordingly.  You bloke got the calculation wrong. 

We're not God, we don't know everything. Perhaps asking Him what do to do in every situation before acting would be a good thing. Which might mean breaking local laws for a good reason.

I know a Christian heart surgeon - every second does count when he's called. He does break limits then. But not having a blue flashing lights, he won't drive like an ambulance driver, as that would put others' lives at risk. 

Edited March 14, 2020 by NotAllThere

[BeauJangles]

What Would You Do? - Child Sick Speed Chase

On 3/12/2020 at 8:31 AM, The Survivor said:

My experiences? Oh, they be mind shattering being both sides I been on. But this not about me. This about you. What would you do, or what have you done (if willing to share).

Okay yeah, I see where this is going. You've personally experienced going through this and wondering what we would do if in your situation. Well, a lot of drivers here in our state know little of the DMV code book of driving basics, nor adhere to them. Enough on them - I'll go on a tangent. 

But here's what those of us that are aware of these 'rules of the road' and the protocols of safety in an emergency. Everyone but idiots are supposed to know they are to pull over to the nearest right hand of the street/highway when an ambulance or police/authorities are flashing their reds or blues. 

Those who refuse to can be sited for their ignorance, but the seldom are in these cases. If a driver is in an emergent situation, they are to use their headlights in a 'flash' mode while taking the necessary speed to get from where they are to the nearest place for rescue/life saving. That's standard.  

[Daniel Marsh]

On 3/12/2020 at 11:31 AM, The Survivor said:

You have a child. Your child is very sick to the point of dying or possibly dying. You leave work, the market, the football game, whatever. You are driving home to wherever you going. Home, hospital. Not matter. You going to where your child is right now. You are speeding. Going through red lights, but carefully. Just as a firetruck would. You use the breakdown lane. Whatever. You are doing what you can to get yo your child FAST but without harming some other human. You not that heartless I mean, come on, you not me.

Here comes your problem. Police. Paid people to do what they feel they must. To server and protect. They feel they are protecting others from what they see as a reckless driver, but they are not serving you by letting you alone. Slowing down for a chat with delay those last few seconds to possibly see, or save, your child. Letting the cop on a high speed chase to your destination might be fine and dandy too, but they could then jump on you, preventing you from saying your goodbyes, or being the ONLY PERSON TO SAVE YOUR BABY GIRL (or BOY). Takes a split second, one breath, for a life to be saved or loss. Oh boy do I know it.

My experiences? Oh, they be mind shattering being both sides I been on. But this not about me. This about you. What would you do, or what have you done (if willing to share).

DISCLAIMER (for a board administrator)- If this is not the right board for such a question, please move it. Thanks.

Pull over, tell the Police that there is a medical emergency with your child at the Hospital and you need to get there.   I have had this experience,  and Police rushed me there.

[Daniel Marsh]

If you choose to keep going,  start flashing your lights and blowing the horn.

 

[Heleadethme]

On 3/12/2020 at 11:31 AM, The Survivor said:

You have a child. Your child is very sick to the point of dying or possibly dying. You leave work, the market, the football game, whatever. You are driving home to wherever you going. Home, hospital. Not matter. You going to where your child is right now. You are speeding. Going through red lights, but carefully. Just as a firetruck would. You use the breakdown lane. Whatever. You are doing what you can to get yo your child FAST but without harming some other human. You not that heartless I mean, come on, you not me.

Here comes your problem. Police. Paid people to do what they feel they must. To server and protect. They feel they are protecting others from what they see as a reckless driver, but they are not serving you by letting you alone. Slowing down for a chat with delay those last few seconds to possibly see, or save, your child. Letting the cop on a high speed chase to your destination might be fine and dandy too, but they could then jump on you, preventing you from saying your goodbyes, or being the ONLY PERSON TO SAVE YOUR BABY GIRL (or BOY). Takes a split second, one breath, for a life to be saved or loss. Oh boy do I know it.

My experiences? Oh, they be mind shattering being both sides I been on. But this not about me. This about you. What would you do, or what have you done (if willing to share).

DISCLAIMER (for a board administrator)- If this is not the right board for such a question, please move it. Thanks.

What comes to mind is that God sometimes is willing to make concessions.   Even under the Law He made concessions.  As long as we don't play fast and loose with it.  Divorce was permitted under the Law...that was a concession.  David ate the shewbread in an emergency when he and his men were desperate for food.  I've forgotten the circumstances but there is a man in the bible who asked the Lord for and was granted a concession because of being an assistant to a king and having to bow when the king bowed to an idol in a pagan temple (otherwise if he refused this job presumably the king could have executed him).   Jesus and the disciples broke a law when they were needing food and picking grain to eat on a Sabbath.  The Lord is not unreasonable and without compassion.  If we need to break a law in a legitimate emergency situation, then we can acknowledge the law as being right and good while apologizing to the Lord and asking Him to forgive what we need to do.  We serve a living God who we can talk to, not a dead letter. 

[BeauJangles]

1 hour ago, Daniel Marsh said:

Pull over, tell the Police that there is a medical emergency with your child at the Hospital and you need to get there.   I have had this experience,  and Police rushed me there.

Authorities are generally pretty understanding in situations like this and will either follow through with an escort or say to proceed on more carefully if they're on an expectancy of anther call. I got pulled over the night I got a call from the hospital when they weren't expecting my step-father to make it through the night. I was in a hurry but didn't exceed the speed limit.  

It was pretty late and sure enough, some patrolman needed a citation quota and told me I had roll-stopped at a stop sign. Totally ridiculous of course. I never fail to make a full stop. Ever. When I told him I was sorry the situation appeared that way to him of the situation, he let me go on without giving me a ticket. Otherwise I would have been nailed for sure - no doubt about it. 

[BeauJangles]

1 hour ago, Daniel Marsh said:

If you choose to keep going,  start flashing your lights and blowing the horn.

These are the basics according to the rules of the road from the standards of the DMV. (department of motor vehicles) If in an emergent situation, this is what a driver is supposed to do. The problem with today's illicit and/or uninsured and uneducated drivers is they fail to recognize the obvious. One should keep this in mind when attempting to exceed precariously over the speed limit and avoid making a circumstance that creates yet another emergency. Keep your wits about you and don't cause an accident. A life could potentially be at stake.  

Edited March 18, 2020 by BeauJangles

[Daniel Marsh]

3 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

These are the basics according to the rules of the road from the standards of the DMV. (department of motor vehicles) If in an emergent situation, this is what a driver is supposed to do. The problem with today's illicit and/or uninsured and uneducated drivers is they fail to recognize the obvious. One should keep this in mind when attempting to exceed precariously over the speed limit and avoid making a circumstance that creates yet another emergency. Keep your wits about you and don't cause an accident. A life could potentially be at stake.  

That does explain why I scared the heck out of someone when driving someone to the hospital.    Multiple Police cars were escorting me by then and pulled them over.