Why I believe healing is in the atonement

[Franky67]

Do you think there is a difference between saying, "Healing is in the atonement" and "Healing was included in Christ's atonement"?

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I'm not sure how to answer, please elaborate,, Thanks

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Do you see a difference in those two statements. Because there is a difference.

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I will just use Matthew's words,

9:16,17 "And when evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon possessed, andHe cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who

were ill in order that was spoken through Isaiah the prophet might be fulfulled, saying 'He Himself took our infirmities, and carried away our diseases' "

I think, in the light of the prevalant thought on healing , that the King James translators translated the word sickness into griefs, and the word diseases into sorrows. Those two words in the hebrew are indeed physical afflictions of the body.

However you want to word it, I believe the scriptures tell us that when Jesus was scourged, and then nailed to a cross, He atoned for the iniquity of us all, and He took, on His body our sickness, and disease.

[Ovedya]

Okay, now I'll attempt to explain the difference.

To say " "Healing is in the atonement" indicates that in Christ's "atonement" there is healing from sickness. This is a kind of dangerous statement alone, without interpretation. Some might falsely believe that once they believe into Jesus Christ that all of their physical ailments will be magically wiped away. That is simply not true.

However, when you say, "Healing was included in Christ's atonement" you are indicating that the power of sickness over our bodies has been taken away in Christ's atonement." This is actually only partially true, since atonement is not all that Christ accomplished.

You see, when you talk of "atonement" you are really only referring to one part of Christ's redemptive work upon the cross. Please consider the following verses from Hebrews 9:24-25 and 10:12, especially the bolded portions.

"For Christ did not enter into a holy place made by hands, a figure of the true, but into heaven itself, to appear now before the face of God for us. Nor in order that He might offer Himself often, just as the High Priest enters into the Holy of Holies year by year by the blood of other creatures; Since then He would have to suffer often since the foundation of the world. But now once at the consummation of the age He has been manifested for the putting away of sin through the sacrifice of Himself."

"But this One, having offered one sacrifice for sins, sat down forever on the right hand of God."

When we talk of Christ's "atonement" we are only talking about that portion of Christ's entire redemptive work that refers to His sacrifice. However, unlike the animals in the Old Testament which had to be sacrificed every year, Christ's sacrifice was once and for all. Also, unlike those animals, Christ was resurrected from the dead.

This is perhaps the most important part of Christ's redemptive work, which is why the confession in Romans 10 for salvation requires the inclusion of resurrection. Atonement only accomplishes one part of Christ's entire redemptive work: The putting to death of sin and the reconciliation of man to God through His death (Rom. 5:10). However, Christ also arose from the grave in victory, and then ascended to the throne of God, sitting down on His right hand! This is so much more important in terms of Christ's ability to dispense Himself as life into the believers.

So really when we talk about healings and such, we are only skimming the surface of God's economy. Yes, healing is included in God's redemptive work through Jesus Christ. However, this is not the goal of Christ's work upon the cross. It is only an added benefit!

[Franky67]

Okay, now I'll attempt to explain the difference.

To say " "Healing is in the atonement" indicates that in Christ's "atonement" there is healing from sickness. This is a kind of dangerous statement alone, without interpretation.

[Ovedya]

Okay, now I'll attempt to explain the difference.

To say " "Healing is in the atonement" indicates that in Christ's "atonement" there is healing from sickness. This is a kind of dangerous statement alone, without interpretation.

[Kabowd]

Okay, now I'll attempt to explain the difference.

To say " "Healing is in the atonement" indicates that in Christ's "atonement" there is healing from sickness. This is a kind of dangerous statement alone, without interpretation.  Some might falsely believe that once they believe into Jesus Christ that all of their physical ailments will be magically wiped away.  That is simply not true.

However, when you say, "Healing was included in Christ's atonement" you are indicating that the power of sickness over our bodies has been taken away in Christ's atonement."  This is actually only partially true, since atonement is not all that Christ accomplished.

You see, when you talk of "atonement" you are really only referring to one part of Christ's redemptive work upon the cross.  Please consider the following verses from Hebrews 9:24-25 and 10:12, especially the bolded portions.

"For Christ did not enter into a holy place made by hands, a figure of the true, but into heaven itself, to appear now before the face of God for us.  Nor in order that He might offer Himself often, just as the High Priest enters into the Holy of Holies year by year by the blood of other creatures; Since then He would have to suffer often since the foundation of the world.  But now once at the consummation of the age He has been manifested for the putting away of sin through the sacrifice of Himself."

"But this One, having offered one sacrifice for sins, sat down forever on the right hand of God."

When we talk of Christ's "atonement" we are only talking about that portion of Christ's entire redemptive work that refers to His sacrifice.  However, unlike the animals in the Old Testament which had to be sacrificed every year, Christ's sacrifice was once and for all. Also, unlike those animals, Christ was resurrected from the dead.

This is perhaps the most important part of Christ's redemptive work, which is why the confession in Romans 10 for salvation requires the inclusion of resurrection.  Atonement only accomplishes one part of Christ's entire redemptive work: The putting to death of sin and the reconciliation of man to God through His death (Rom. 5:10).  However, Christ also arose from the grave in victory, and then ascended to the throne of God, sitting down on His right hand!  This is so much more important in terms of Christ's ability to dispense Himself as life into the believers.

So really when we talk about healings and such, we are only skimming the surface of God's economy.  Yes, healing is included in God's redemptive work through Jesus Christ.  However, this is not the goal of Christ's work upon the cross.  It is only an added benefit!

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First I want to thank you for taking the time to respond.

I have studied what you have said, and I agree with you in part, but I disagree on the purpose of Christ coming.

I believe Jesus came to fulfill the Covenant God made with Abraham which He said was to be for a thousand generations.

I believe this is supported by Galatians chapter 3, and in other scriptures.

The last verse says " If you are in Christ, you are Abraham's offspring. heirs according the promise'.

We are in Christ, We are heirs, because we have been grafted in to the Olive tree.

In other words, on a lighter note, a tee shirt I saw once, said, "Yeshua has made me Kosher"

In Christ we are the seed of Abraham, because Christ is the seed of Abraham.

Jesus came for the Jews, He said that. God's word says we Gentiles share in all the blessings which are spelled out in the Old Testament. example Deut 7, and 28.

Romans 15:8 "For I say that Christ has become a servant to the Circumcision on be half of the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the Fathers."

There's that word promise again, promises God made to Israel are ours, in Christ.

A lady once said that all God promised Abraham was land. Nothing could farther from the truth, God promised Abraham prosperity, health, a good long life, and righteousness, which is Salvation.

The new Covenant is not a brand new religion called Christianity, It's God's plan for His people all along. Christ finalized The Covenant by the very blood of God . Once and for all, no more need for sacrifice.

Jude chapter 3 Jesus is called "The Messenger of the Covenant"

As Abraham's seed, we inherit all of God's promises. I don't believe healing is more important than any other aspect of His blessings, the whole blessing is an inseparable package.

Seminaries take 4 years to teach complicated doctrine, with denominational differences, when God's plan is so pure and simple.

In Luke, Mary and Zacharias both speak of the reason Jesus came, Chapt. 1:54,55

72,73 ,very enlightening.

I know you probably consider my views over simplified, and I understand.

I have peace about this, because the more I look into His word, the more I find to support this belief.

My original post starting this thread created quite a discussion, didn't it?

God Bless

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Of course we are heirs to the promise God gave to Abraham. So what was this covenant God made? It can be found in Genesis 12:1-3

"Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." (Gen 12:1-3 NASB)

I don't see where Abraham (or his decendants) were promised perpetual good health.

[Guest shiloh357]

There's that word promise again, promises God made to Israel are ours, in Christ.

I would be careful with making such blanket statements. I bet I can find promises that God made to Israel that you would not want.

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[Franky67]

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Of course we are heirs to the promise God gave to Abraham. So what was this covenant God made? It can be found in Genesis 12:1-3

"Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." (Gen 12:1-3 NASB)

I don't see where Abraham (or his decendants) were promised perpetual good health.

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[Guest shiloh357]

As to perpetual, Deuteronomy 28:1,2 says IF we obey, these blessings will overtake us.

Those promises were made to national Israel. God was saying that if Israel obyed His Torah that they would prosper as a nation. He was not saying that EACH of them would never get sick, he never promised that each of them would be rich, etc. Those promises are also conditional upon obeying God's Torah. In Deuteronomy 14, for example God told them what animals not to eat. Are you kosher Franky? Do you keep the Sabbath and all of the Festivals?

Deut 28:1 and 2 says:

Deut. 28:1-2

And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: [2] And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.

Notice the condition for blessing for Israel to obey ALL that God had commanded them THAT day. You need to really apply better hermeneutic principles to your handling of the Word God. Name it and Claim it folks apply very sloppy interperative principles, and end up making the Bible say what it is not saying.

[Franky67]

As to perpetual, Deuteronomy 28:1,2 says IF we obey, these blessings will overtake us.

Those promises were made to national Israel. God was saying that if Israel obyed His Torah that they would prosper as a nation. He was not saying that EACH of them would never get sick, he never promised that each of them would be rich, etc. Those promises are also conditional upon obeying God's Torah. In Deuteronomy 14, for example God told them what animals not to eat. Are you kosher Franky? Do you keep the Sabbath and all of the Festivals?

Deut 28:1 and 2 says:

Deut. 28:1-2

And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: [2] And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.

Notice the condition for blessing for Israel to obey ALL that God had commanded them THAT day. You need to really apply better hermeneutic principles to your handling of the Word God. Name it and Claim it folks apply very sloppy interperative principles, and end up making the Bible say what it is not saying.

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I realize they were given to Israel, but then, as now, they were also to individual people. Abraham, for instance. Also, we as abraham's seed, what do we have to inherit, if not individual blessings? our only condition is to be in Christ, which we are. No longer are we to make the sacrifices, and keep the law as given to Abraham. That's why it's a better Covenant.