bcbsr Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 415 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 353 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/23/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2020 Are You Relying on the Law? Gal 3:10-12 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." (Deut 27:26) Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." (Hab 2:4) The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." (Lev 18:5) Some are under the impression that people in the Old Testament and perhaps Jews today are justified by their obedience to the Law. But the Bible teaches that no one has ever been justified by obedience to the Law. And Paul even goes so far as to say that this fact is clearly evident. Justification has always been based upon faith and not upon law. This is not to say that there is not a lifestyle characteristic of faith. For indeed "The righteous will live by faith". If their lifestyle is inconsistent with their alleged faith, that is just evidence that they don't really believe. But faith in works is not faith in Christ. Faith in works for salvation is relying upon law for justification. The Berean Christian Bible Study Resources 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 24, 2020 49 minutes ago, bcbsr said: Are You Relying on the Law? Gal 3:10-12 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." (Deut 27:26) Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." (Hab 2:4) The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." (Lev 18:5) Some are under the impression that people in the Old Testament and perhaps Jews today are justified by their obedience to the Law. But the Bible teaches that no one has ever been justified by obedience to the Law. And Paul even goes so far as to say that this fact is clearly evident. Justification has always been based upon faith and not upon law. This is not to say that there is not a lifestyle characteristic of faith. For indeed "The righteous will live by faith". If their lifestyle is inconsistent with their alleged faith, that is just evidence that they don't really believe. But faith in works is not faith in Christ. Faith in works for salvation is relying upon law for justification. The Berean Christian Bible Study Resources What the law does is keep us out of trouble. In other words, when we sin, trouble enters into our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,147 Content Per Day: 4.60 Reputation: 27,843 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, Betha said: Would you mind telling us which WORKS you are speaking of ? Many Laws were given but not all served the same purpose....also some were carnal and temporary while others are spiritual and eternal, holy, just and good as mentioned in Rom 7 People seem to have no concept of which they are. Blessings Betha Quote King James Bible James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. New King James Version Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, Any works of your own effort to try & earn favor with God(justification).... With love,in Christ-Kwik 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcbsr Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 415 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 353 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/23/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Betha said: Would you mind telling us which WORKS you are speaking of ? Many Laws were given but not all served the same purpose....also some were carnal and temporary while others are spiritual and eternal, holy, just and good as mentioned in Rom 7 People seem to have no concept of which they are. As Paul writes in Rom 4:4,5 "Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.", he's speaking of "works" generically, which would including the regulations of the law as well as any thing a person does, even good works. So this would even apply to those who are trying to be saved by doing "good" works. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 24 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.38 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 hours ago, bcbsr said: As Paul writes in Rom 4:4,5 "Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.", he's speaking of "works" generically, which would including the regulations of the law as well as any thing a person does, even good works. So this would even apply to those who are trying to be saved by doing "good" works. or "keep" their salvation by what they do..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bcbsr Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 415 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 353 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/23/2014 Status: Offline Author Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jostler said: or "keep" their salvation by what they do..... Yes whether one is trying to obtain or maintain their salvation status by their works, either is salvation by works. In fact a salvation which can be lost is not actually salvation. Such a person doesn't actually believe they are saved, but rather that they merely have the potential to be saved. In fact some speak of "initial" salvation in this sense as merely a potential to be saved, but then speak of a "final" salvation as the actual salvation. Catholics for example will use that rhetoric. And to get to "final salvation" - they make it conditioned upon works. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 24 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.38 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, bcbsr said: Yes whether one is trying to obtain or maintain their salvation status by their works, either is salvation by works. In fact a salvation which can be lost is not actually salvation. Such a person doesn't actually believe they are saved, but rather that they merely have the potential to be saved. In fact some speak of "initial" salvation in this sense as merely a potential to be saved, but then speak of a "final" salvation as the actual salvation. Catholics for example will use that rhetoric. And to get to "final salvation" - they make it conditioned upon works. I was just thinking about the story of the prodigal son in another thread....but there were two prodigals in that story. Both were sons, both dearly loved. One became a prodigal by a season of rebellion, wasting the Father's blessing on riotous living. But the other was a prodigal of the heart. He labored faithfully, did all the works he believed the Father required but felt resentful that he was not PAID in the manner he expected. He felt his works were not appreciated because in his own eyes he was a SERVANT who had to earn the Father's love and blessing. And even accused the Father of treating him unfairly because He showed His love and grace toward his own brother. He was a slave in the House of sonship, not because of the Father's choice, but because of his own attitude, and perception that the love and blessing of the Father was contingent on his works...... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.91 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted March 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, bcbsr said: Yes whether one is trying to obtain or maintain their salvation status by their works, either is salvation by works. In fact a salvation which can be lost is not actually salvation. Thank you for sharing your thoughts concerning the matter This to me is the gospel as it truly is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,900 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,781 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, bcbsr said: Yes whether one is trying to obtain or maintain their salvation status by their works, either is salvation by works. In fact a salvation which can be lost is not actually salvation. Such a person doesn't actually believe they are saved, but rather that they merely have the potential to be saved. In fact some speak of "initial" salvation in this sense as merely a potential to be saved, but then speak of a "final" salvation as the actual salvation. I have to disagree with a lot of your comments... Jesus Christ is the Judge who has possess the Gates of his enemy...who has the Keys of Death and Hades.... Genesis 3:15 English Standard Version (ESV) 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring[a] and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” Bible > Revelation > Chapter 1 > Verse 18 ◄ Revelation 1:18 ► SUM PIC XRF DEV STU Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. New Living Translation I am the living one. I died, but look—I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and the grave. English Standard Version and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. Berean Study Bible the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades. ................................ Jesus Christ knows who has believed in him by looking in the heart..... He knows who is his own by their faith in their heart....this is a fair judgement..without any error and doubt.. When you are asking for living proof and you seek to find the faith in the heart that is hidden from you, for the reason you cannot see in their heart..... You are admitting their is a marginal error in searching faith by the actions and confessions....one can be mistaken....when is searching to discern the faith in the heart of someone in the shadows of his actions and confessions.... Jesus Christ has the key to fair judgement....he can see in the heart.... Quote Catholics for example will use that rhetoric. And to get to "final salvation" - they make it conditioned upon works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,064 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) DISOBEDIENT -- PRETENDERS -- FALSE TEACHERS LUKE 6:46 AND WHY CALL YOU ME LORD LORD AND --DO NOT--THE THINGS WHICH I SAY HEBREWS 5:9 AND BEING MADE PERFECT HE BECAME THE AUTHOR OF --ETERNAL SALVATION-----UNTO ALL THEM THAT OBEY HIM----- 2 THESSALONIANS 1:11 WHEREFORE ALSO WE PRAY ALWAYS FOR YOU THAT OUR GOD WOULD COUNT YOU WORTHY OF THIS CALLING AND FULFILL ALL THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS GOODNESS AND THE WORK OF FAITH WITH POWER ********************************************************************************************************** 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 KNOW YOU NOT THAT THE UNRIGHTEOUS --- SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD --- BE NOT DECEIVED--NEITHER FORNICATORS--NOR IDOLATERS--NOR ADULTERERS--NOR EFFEMINATE--NOR ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND---6:10---NOR THIEVES--NOR COVETOUS--NOR DRUNKARDS--NOR REVILERS--NOR EXTORTIONERS-----SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD ********************************************************************************************************** ISAIAH 1:4 AH SINFUL NATION A PEOPLE LADEN WITH INIQUITY A SEED OF EVILDOERS ---CHILDREN THAT ARE CORRUPTERS--- THEY HAVE FORSKAEN THE LORD THEY HAVE PROVOKED THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL UNTO ANGER THEY ARE GONE AWAY ---BACKWARD--- JEREMIAH 7:24 BUT THEY HEARKENED NOT --- NOR INCLINED THEIR EAR --- BUT WALKED IN THE COUNSELS AND IN THE IMAGINATION ---OF THEIR EVIL HEART-----AND WENT BACKWARD AND NOT FORWARD----- PROVERBS 21:30 THERE IS NO WISDOM NOR UNDERSTANDING NOR COUNSEL ---AGAINST THE LORD--- PROVERBS 15:10 CORRECTION IS GRIEVOUS UNTO HIM THAT FORSAKETH THE WAY ---AND HE THAT HATETH REPROOF SHALL DIE--- PROVERBS 15:12 A SCORNER LOVETH NOT ONE THAT REPROVETH HIM ---NEITHER WILL HE GO UNTO THE WISE-- 2 THESSALONIANS 2:10 AND WITH ALL DECEIVEABLENESS OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IN THEM THAT PERISH BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH ---THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED JEREMIAH 15:6 THOU HAST FORSAKEN ME SAITH THE LORD ---THOU ART GONE BACKWARD--- THEREFORE WILL I STRETCH OUT MY HAND AGAINST THEE AND DESTROY THEE ---I AM WEARY WITH REPENTING--- LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Edited March 26, 2020 by steve morrow not finished --- wrong button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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