Martial Law and House Arrest

[Justin Adams]

On 4/2/2020 at 9:48 AM, Logostician said:

Currently large and growing numbers of people are being ordered by state governments to stay in their homes.  How is this different from house arrests which are used to imprison convicted criminals?

Silly. Not appropriate either.

[Gershom_young]

On 4/2/2020 at 4:48 PM, Logostician said:

Currently large and growing numbers of people are being ordered by state governments to stay in their homes.  How is this different from house arrests which are used to imprison convicted criminals?

More and more states are calling up very large numbers of National Guardsmen.  Why do you think that is?  For one, they will enforce the house arrests imposed by state governments.  Secondly, these house arrests will result in lost income leading to foreclosures, evictions, homelessness, and inability to pay for the most basic necessities, like food.  A large segment of our society lives paycheck to paycheck.  A month or two with no income will turn alot of lives upside down, as in millions.  Civil unrest is likely, hence the second function of the National Guard will be to impose order.  When the military takes over dealings with citizens, this is called martial law.  The USA is currently in uncharted and very dangerous waters that are in direct opposition to our founding ideals of freedom.  Martial law comes easily to a communist regime like China, but it's effects on the USA could be catastrophic and long lasting.  Perhaps China will say "look they've adopted our ideology after all!".  If they can get us to use the same heavy handed communist tactics on our own people, that they use on theirs, they can make a legimate case that they have defeated us.  Maybe that was at least part of their intent all along.  Actually, though, we are defeating ourselves.  Many soldiers gave their lives for the freedom we enjoy.  These sacrifices were hard for them and their families.  It's shocking how quickly and easily we can throw it away.

My home town has 40K people.  There have been 2 reported cases of Corona virus, and no deaths.  Nonetheless most businesses have been shut down.  An 8p curfew has been set.  I happen to work for two companies deemed "essential" by the state government that now seemingly controls our lives.  I have been given written verification of being exempt from the current martial law edicts to present to police if I am stopped after 8p.  What country am I in?  Is this really the USA?  And why should government decide what or who is essential?

This Corona virus cure is killing us.  You may think I'm overreacting, but give it time.  If this insanity persists for more than two months, those National Guard troops will be very busy and people will actually want to stay in their house, to avoid the violence that will ensue when people lose their homes and ability to buy food.

Why are we resorting to house arrest and martial law?  Simple.  We have no real answers, so we are simply hiding and hoping the problem will magically go away, or that we can moderate the flow of patients that go to hospitals because we don't have a real answer to prevent them from going to the hospital.

Here's a short list of real answers to the Corona virus problem that we don't have:

We don't have a vaccine or antibody treatment.  And it's probably more than a year away.

We don't have effective treatments to lessen the severity and duration of the virus.  Respirators are what you use when you can't think of anything else, and just want to keep someone's fluid filled lungs working at a life support level.

We have no readily available or quick tests.  If you are a US senator you can get a test, and results in two weeks.  If you are an average citizen you will only get a test after the virus has fully infected you at an advanced stage, and the reason will be to seperate you from others, rather than give you efficacious treatment.

We don't even have the basic pharmaceutical precursor chemical compounds needed to develop treatments any more.  We ceded those industries to China a couple decades ago.

I have yet to see convincing data on whether or not this virus is truly stable or not.  If it randomly mutates at a high rate, every one of the above real answers will become much more difficult to obtain.

Real problems need real solutions, but burying our heads in the sand while our economy collapses, and tens of millions of lives are destroyed in the process is not a real solution, unless you're an ostrich.

I'm no doctor, but my current assessment of the Corona virus, and the lack of any real answers in the foreseeable future leads me to believe that it will be contracted by most of the people in the world.  Hiding in our homes will only delay the inevitable.  Young children will need special protection for a number of years.  Elderly will need special protection indefinitely.  The rest of us, for the most part, will become infected.  The vast majority will survive, and have immunity from future infection.  But some will die.  I believe the current estimates of 100K to 250K are overly optimistic, in the absence of real answers.

I ask Jesus to give us real answers unless we are so close to the end that the only real answer is a new heaven and a new earth.

I also pray that as many unbelievers as possible will see how few answers the "wise" men of this world really have, and come to know the truth of Jesus.

I also pray that everyone, beleivers and non-believers alike will see that the economic destruction of our current path will destroy tens of millions of lives, and our way of life, if allowed to persist, even for a short time.  At our current rate of economic self destruction 45M people will be unemployed, and very unhappy in two months.

Thanks be to God, and our Savior Jesus.  Jesus is Lord in times of joy as well as times of trouble.  He is the source of joy, and the only real answer to our troubles.

I agree with most of what you said. But, the cold is not serious. It's just like any other cold or flu. This is indeed a push to destroy liberty, and to blame it on a virus. The numbers and methodology using to justify it are fake and unscientific. There are lies by the media (e.g. using footage from Italy and labelling it New York) and government (e.g. setting up unused make-shift mortuaries and hospitals, "just-in-case").

The deaths from sickness are no different to those that occur every year (some deaths perhaps relabelled as due to Coronavirus, but the overall numbers the same). The attack on freedom that you mention is very, very real.

Edited April 4, 2020 by Gershom_young

[Guest]

On 4/3/2020 at 11:14 AM, justthefacts said:

Do you honestly think that it is man that controls anything pertaining to world affairs?

 

The sky is not falling and the world isn't going to end today {for most people anyway}, but it is for sure that if all you consider through this is your personal comfort, then many will probably die who had not to die if all would hunker down and do that which is right.

 

I would hate to have their blood on my hands simply because I wanted my personal rights.

 

As it is written: There is a time and place for everything.

 

Now is not the time or place.

 

Godbless

 

JTF

If not now, when? When our economy is ruined? When 33% of the workforce is looking for jobs? In the short term, perhaps around 30 more days, shutting down is ok. But not for months. This virus is less deadly than the common flu. We should all be distancing ourselves, and wearing face masks for now, but, destroying our Nation and taking away the rights of individuals and small businesses in the long term because of this virus is wrong and shouldn't be permitted to happen by any sane individual.

[Jostler]

1 hour ago, Rick_Parker said:

If not now, when? When our economy is ruined? When 33% of the workforce is looking for jobs? In the short term, perhaps around 30 more days, shutting down is ok. But not for months. This virus is less deadly than the common flu. We should all be distancing ourselves, and wearing face masks for now, but, destroying our Nation and taking away the rights of individuals and small businesses in the long term because of this virus is wrong and shouldn't be permitted to happen by any sane individual.

Bro you really need to wake up.  There has been enough information to know just how wildly false that idiotic statement is for well over two months now.  You really need to dig a lot deeper into understanding what this virus is all about.

This virus is far more virulent and far more deadly than any annual flu, and that FACT has been obvious to those who do the tiniest bit of research....for a very long time now.  The measures needed to control this thing are not being implemented even now, and the cost for not doing it is going to be very, very high.

And by the way, the economy is already ruined and this virus was not the cause....it was just the pin that pricked the bubble.  There will be no returning to what was economically "normal" six months ago.  Wake up....get ready....life is different now and what was is not coming back.

Edited April 4, 2020 by Jostler

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Jostler said:

Bro you really need to wake up.  There has been enough information to know just how wildly false that idiotic statement is for well over two months now.  You really need to dig a lot deeper into understanding what this virus is all about.

This virus is far more virulent and far more deadly than any annual flu, and that FACT has been obvious to those who do the tiniest bit of research....for a very long time now.  The measures needed to control this thing are not being implemented even now, and the cost for not doing it is going to be very, very high.

And by the way, the economy is already ruined and this virus was not the cause....it was just the pin that pricked the bubble.  There will be no returning to what was economically "normal" six months ago.  Wake up....get ready....life is different now and what was is not coming back.

Ok. Let’s look. How many people have been exposed to the virus? How many have recovered? No one knows these numbers. How many people who have actually died from underlying causes that have been attributed to the virus? If you could know those numbers, then divided the number of deaths by them, then you have the actual percentage of deaths and people who tell the truth will put the rate at less than 1 percent.

Now compare the real numbers to the flu.

So bro, maybe a little common sense would serve to educate people to what is really going on in this country.

[Jostler]

1 minute ago, Rick_Parker said:

Ok. Let’s look. How many people have been exposed to the virus? How many have recovered? No one knows these numbers. How many people who have actually died from underlying causes that have been attributed to the virus? If you could know those numbers, then divided the number of deaths by them, then you have the actual percentage of deaths and people who tell the truth will put the rate at less than 1 percent.

Now compare the real numbers to the flu.

So bro, maybe a little common sense would serve to educate people to what is really going on in this country.

IF you could know....which neither of us do....you condemn your own conclusions and can't even see it?   If you'd like an example of what data driven analysis looks like, take a look at Chris Martenson's work.  Start at the beginning and look at what data was available when, and just how predictive the meta data that IS known and reliable has been at predicting exactly what we're seeing right now....beginning over two months ago.  Start at the beginning and learn what R0 is, what herd immunity is, and what scientific studies, available for months have been telling us.  It's darn sure not what our government or the MSM have been telling us.

Chris Martenson -COVID-19 analysis and updates

 

I became aware of this about January 9th and began tracking it closely about the 19th.  By then it was OBVIOUS we had a serious issue developing and it was obvious we were being lied to about it.  If you love the truth, you will educate yourself enough to discern what it is and stop misleading people.  I went full alert on January 22nd when 40 million people got locked down as a control measure to contain something every public official was saying was under control....China's ACTIONS were not matching the calming lies they and the WHO were telling and over the next week fully half of China's population was locked down....760 million people.   Common sense tells you they would never cripple their own economy unless something scared the hell out of them.

Wake up.....it's late. 

 

[Jostler]

There are so many other things on their way right now we SHOULD be talking about and aware of, it's disappointing to see so many can't even get past that utterly false and totally disproven lie that the annual flu is worse.  And as serious as this pandemic is, it's far from the most serious thing coming toward us with the speed of a freight train.

Of all the people on earth who should be lovers of the truth, it seems the christian community is even more "head in the sand" than the world is.  The global pandemic response to this virus has been GUTTED, by the very institutions who claim to be the guardians against it.  And it's been done on purpose.  We better wake up to the hour, and find out what the Lord is doing in this hour.  Those that do, will not be fearful.  They will be preparing for being a part of His plans and purposes.  They will know the TRUTH...and understand the battlefield we are called to fight on.

[other one]

3 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

If not now, when? When our economy is ruined? When 33% of the workforce is looking for jobs? In the short term, perhaps around 30 more days, shutting down is ok. But not for months. This virus is less deadly than the common flu. We should all be distancing ourselves, and wearing face masks for now, but, destroying our Nation and taking away the rights of individuals and small businesses in the long term because of this virus is wrong and shouldn't be permitted to happen by any sane individual.

Less deadly than the common flu... 

Lets look at todays numbers.  As of right now we have 319,919 cases that we know about (tested positive)   Out of those people 279,990 are still sick.   Out of that 319,990 there have been 22,928 that have completed the cycle of getting the virus and either getting well or dying....     14,686 have recovered and 8,243 have died....    lets see out of all the people who have finished the cycle..    36 percent of the people that finished the cycle are dead....    We have to wait to see what happens to the other 279,990 but if they follow the same track we will loose a bit over 100 thousand people if not a single other person gets sick.....

It's not like the flu...

I'm not saying that the deep state is not using this for their agenda, but we need to understand they are just taking advantage of something that really is serious... because just today since midnight last night over 10,000 more people got sick   and over 300 died....

[Jostler]

It's ludicrous to try to compare today's numbers (even if we could trust them) to annual flu numbers where all the numbers are established and final anyway.  The dearth of logical examination of the DATA that is available just blows my mind.

This thing has not even begun yet....and we're not testing ANYTHING but our ability to make tests available.  This thing is still spreading faster than we can test for it and we haven't even begun to catch up.  The currently most devastating clusters are starting to ramp up testing to levels that can conceiveably begin catching up, but the vast majority of this nation is still lacking vigorous testing.  This thing is spreading like wildfire to those areas that don't seem to be much affected, and the numbers reported are not even remotely reflective of that yet.

If we want to see declining numbers as China, and hopefully Italy and Spain have, we'll have to do what they have done to contain it....and we haven't even started good on non-pharmaceutical interventions.  We still have 12 states that haven't done ANYTHING.....

 

[missmuffet]

46 minutes ago, Jostler said:

It's ludicrous to try to compare today's numbers (even if we could trust them) to annual flu numbers where all the numbers are established and final anyway.  The dearth of logical examination of the DATA that is available just blows my mind.

This thing has not even begun yet....and we're not testing ANYTHING but our ability to make tests available.  This thing is still spreading faster than we can test for it and we haven't even begun to catch up.  The currently most devastating clusters are starting to ramp up testing to levels that can conceiveably begin catching up, but the vast majority of this nation is still lacking vigorous testing.  This thing is spreading like wildfire to those areas that don't seem to be much affected, and the numbers reported are not even remotely reflective of that yet.

If we want to see declining numbers as China, and hopefully Italy and Spain have, we'll have to do what they have done to contain it....and we haven't even started good on non-pharmaceutical interventions.  We still have 12 states that haven't done ANYTHING.....

 

Did you get the H1N1 flu vaccine for this year?