other one Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,193 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,921 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted July 15, 2005 who did Jesus die for??, just to get you thinking!!! Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constant Posted July 15, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,946 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/06/1979 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Died for all mankind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liss Posted July 17, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 311 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 17, 2005 Good questions! Here's what I believe and I stress - I... Jesus died for the whole world...everybody...I believe that every single living soul on this planet was born with the hope of going to Heaven after repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour... When the Bible says we were "pre-destined" I don't believe it means God picked and chose but knew beforehand who would accept and who wouldn't - hence the blotting out of names in The Book of Life spoken of in Revelation... That is what I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted July 17, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2005 Good questions! Here's what I believe and I stress - I... Jesus died for the whole world...everybody...I believe that every single living soul on this planet was born with the hope of going to Heaven after repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour... When the Bible says we were "pre-destined" I don't believe it means God picked and chose but knew beforehand who would accept and who wouldn't - hence the blotting out of names in The Book of Life spoken of in Revelation... That is what I believe... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm...Well then what about the Greek word "Proorizo" from Ephesians 1:5? It literally means, "To select or mark beforehand." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But it doesn't mean that He actually follows through on it The debate basically comes down to, did God mark all people and they can walk away from this calling, or did He mark people and make them adhere to it? I, for one, believe that it was a universal call, a universal marking, that God has called out to all men but not all men have accepted this calling. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> if God made it so that we could not walk away from God or the calling He has for uus then He nullifies our free will - which He gave to us!!! i agree that this call is a universal call sent out to man, and it is each individuals choice to accept or not. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He never gave us free will. He gave us wills to use but these wills are limited. We cannot supercede God's ultimate Will, though we can divert from it from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryt Posted July 18, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,230 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Just something more to think about on this topic. Those that died before Jesus was born of Mary. Did He die for them knowing that they had already rejected God/Him. LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zayit Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 What do you make of this?: From: Sha'ul, by God's will an emissary of the Messiah Yeshua To: God's people living in Ephesus, that is, those who are trusting in the Messiah Yeshua: 2 Grace to you and shalom from God our Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah. 3 Praised be ADONAI, Father of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, who in the Messiah has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in heaven. 4 In the Messiah he chose us in love before the creation of the universe to be holy and without defect in his presence. 5 He determined in advance that through Yeshua the Messiah we would be his sons - in keeping with his pleasure and purpose - 6 so that we would bring him praise commensurate with the glory of the grace he gave us through the Beloved One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 18, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,193 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,921 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted July 18, 2005 I think we would have to know exactly who "us" is. I know I sound like Bill Clinton, but it is important to this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBronx Posted July 18, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 183 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/31/1968 Share Posted July 18, 2005 You're a genius Mr.Bronx!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> MS Bronx.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBronx Posted July 18, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 183 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/31/1968 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Good questions! Here's what I believe and I stress - I... Jesus died for the whole world...everybody...I believe that every single living soul on this planet was born with the hope of going to Heaven after repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour... When the Bible says we were "pre-destined" I don't believe it means God picked and chose but knew beforehand who would accept and who wouldn't - hence the blotting out of names in The Book of Life spoken of in Revelation... That is what I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liss Posted July 19, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 311 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 19, 2005 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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