PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

[Sirsilius]

Pick, When will the Post-trib rapture happen... Before or after Armageddon, because you guys seem to want it both ways...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's Pre-Wrath! So I guess it makes it Mid-trib. .

I WISH there was a Pre-trib, thus avoiding the tribulation, but no where in Revelation is this supported.

I've shown you where those refusing to worship the beast (in the tribulation) are shown in heaven standing before the throne just prior to God's Wrath. This iS the Church, Saints, Christians, etc... there's no other evidence to indicate otherwise.

So the burden is on you to PROVE that it isn't the Church because, as you say, it's been raptured BEFORE the tribulation.

So then for the life of me- just show me ONE place in Revelation, where the pre-trib Church is in Heaven, during or prior to the tribulation?

And PLEASE leave your own interpretations and assumptions out of it. The Bible is very capable of speaking for itself.

Another thing- just as you like for your own questions to be answered- then please do likewise. You were there for four days, as you say, waiting for someone to reply to your questions. I finally did- but now, instead of answering those questions I posed when I replied, you just keep asking more.

If we are going to get anywhere with this- then we have to do it mutually.

I'm sure you'll agree.

[Trinity]

It's Pre-Wrath! So I guess it makes it Mid-trib

So your saying that the rapture is before Armageddon, but did you just say Yesterday that the First Resurrection is after armageddon?

Revelation 20:4-6

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[Trinity]

So then for the life of me- just show me ONE place in Revelation, where the pre-trib Church is in Heaven, during or prior to the tribulation?

Ever hear about the 24 elders?

[Sirsilius]

It's Pre-Wrath! So I guess it makes it Mid-trib

So your saying that the rapture is before Armageddon, but did you just say Yesterday that the First Resurrection is after armageddon?

Revelation 20:4-6

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[Sirsilius]

So then for the life of me- just show me ONE place in Revelation, where the pre-trib Church is in Heaven, during or prior to the tribulation?

Ever hear about the 24 elders?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sure have.

Show me scripture please, not assumptions, where it says the 24 Elders ARE the Pre-trib raptured Church???

[apothanein kerdos]

I'm impressed this has remained somewhat civilized.

Regardless, I must ask, does it matter? Does it matter when the rapture occurs so long as we all agree it does occur?

As for my own beliefs, I am a post-tribulation believer, and after some study (thought admittedly not extensive) I am pleased with that choice. In the end, I think it's a fun discussion and can really sharpen your study skills, but it shouldn't matter too much to us.

So be careful and keep it nice, it's a non-essential belief.

[Trinity]

So then for the life of me- just show me ONE place in Revelation, where the pre-trib Church is in Heaven, during or prior to the tribulation?

Ever hear about the 24 elders?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I sure have.

Show me scripture please, not assumptions, where it says the 24 Elders ARE the Pre-trib raptured Church???

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The 24 elders are seated on thrones, wearing white garments and golden crowns, Though the tribulation saints wear white garmets they do not ware crowns, These were promised to the Church at the Judgment Seat of Christ, which is at the coming of Christ at the rapture (2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4).

Revelation 4:4

Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.

The 24 elders Sang a redemption song to the Lamb:

Revelation 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The 24 elders are distinguished from

[Sirsilius]

]The 24 elders are seated on thrones, wearing white garments and golden crowns, Though the tribulation saits wear white garmets they do not ware crowns, These were promised to the Church at the Judgment Seat of Christ, which is at the coming of Christ at the rapture (2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4).

Revelation 4:4

Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.

The 24 elders Sang a redemption song to the Lamb:

Revelation 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The 24 elders are distinguished from

Edited July 22, 2005 by Sirsilius

[Trinity]

So according to you- ONLY 24 Church members get Pre-trib raptured! Well sure! There's only 24 thrones and 24 crowns!

Nope

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/tbr/tbr022.htm] The twenty-four is the number of the Priestly Courses as given in 1. Chron. 24:1-19. When David distributed the Priests into "Courses" he found there were 24 Heads of the Priestly families, and these 24 Heads he made representative of the WHOLE PRIESTHOOD. The "Elders" are representatives.

Now these 24 elders where redeemed by the Blood of the lamb so we know forsure this is the Church

[halifaxchristian]

Good reply Trinity, are you a Bible scholar or teacher? You seem to be very well versed in the Word. How long have you been a Christian???

God bless.