Mary Was Just A Woman

[Guest LadyC]

i suppose i just don't understand why the source of RCC teachings are not able to be directly from scripture itself. it's the only source we need, and should be the only source we use.

yes, we have the constitution, and we have the supreme court. but it's no secret that the supreme court is ruled over by fallible men who often misinterpret the constitution. we see that every day.... the constitution's own words are so very obvious, that congress shall make no law regarding the endorsement of a religion, or prohibiting the freedom of expression of one's faith... and yet the supreme court has continuously made law from the bench that forbids christians from doing just that. why? because they are mere mortals who were not present at the time the constitution was written, and they personally disagree with what the framers intended. still, that doesn't mean the rest of us can't reasonably and accurately assess what the framers intended, and recognize how it has been violated by the judges at the top.

in the same way, we have the Bible, the unerring word of God. granted, it often takes a lot of study on a subject in order to find everything that scripture says on that same subject, in order to utilize context to understand its meaning, but it's really not something that requires a panel of "X" number of men to interpret it. no matter how devoted to God (or to the RCC) those men are, they're still fallible. scripture teaches us that when we seek understanding of God's word THRU His word, the Holy Spirit will reveal that meaning to us. and that is all we need!

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Whelp, looks like the mods don't like when Catholics link to Catholic websites. I guess it's scary or something. It's sad tho, cuz no one here will ever come to know the full Truth that Jesus Christ teaches in the Gospels.

With all due respect, Christina -

Discussing a topic means you bring in your thoughts and beliefs into a discussion, and not to continually copy-and-paste someone else's words on the subject all the time.

Let us here your thoughts, your research, your rebuttals. . . . .

So, when the woman in the crowd cried out a blessing to Jesus' mother - whydid Jesus respond as He did?

Can you tell me this in your own words?

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[Guest Zayit]

Do You know where  Father came from? John through his younger years he yearned "to be somebody," to stand out, to be noticed and admired. He got his wish, and more.

His quest led him to California during the real estate boom of the 1970s. In a few years, he became a millionaire.If "success is measured in dollars and cents," as he believed then, he had achieved "the American Dream."

"I was eating and drinking with the wealthy," said the small-town native. "I fell into fast-lane living, with fast women."

"I would go down Rodeo Drive in my new red Ferrari and people would turn their heads and say, 'That must be somebody.' My 2,000-square-foot bedroom was larger than most people's houses.

"But I was out of touch with reality. Reality is God."

How out of touch he was became apparent when an attractive young entertainer at a party introduced him to what she called her "best friend" --cocaine.

His American Dream disappeared literally up his nose as cocaine became a $10,000-a-week habit. Physically and psychologically devastated, he landed in a hospital, and for months, he said, "I didn't eat, speak or function normally. I was sick at heart because I had made it and lost it."

"I saw no way out, only absolute darkness. The only thing I wanted was death.

Guess who interceeded for Christ through a vision His mother which is why he says this. Protestants restrict themselves to the bible Catholics have the Saints interceeding for us which is why there are so many inexplicable healings at major shrines around the world. You can go back to the Catacombs of the first Christians and see that intercession of saints began during Apostolic times.

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But who is doing the healings, and who is reveared for this? Shrines of who? The creator? or shrines of the created?

[Guest LadyC]

that's interesting history, assissi, but it doesn't make it line up with scripture, with God's own words! millions of christians have felt the healing touch of God without being in a shrine, or without praying to dead saints or to mary. personally i don't see those healings as "inexplicable", because they are what they are... a miraculous healing from God alone.

question... and i don't know if you know who he is or what your feelings are about him, but if someone goes to a healing service led by bob tilton, or any other "healing evangelist" and experience inexplicable healings, does that mean tilton or whoever should get one ounce of credit? does it even necessarily mean God was behind the healing?

i'm saying this, using non catholic evangelists as example for a reason. i don't personally believe God is behind many healings done by, for instance, WOF evangelists. you see, satan comes as an angel of light, to distort the truth and take one's focus off of God. that's His ammunition to lead those astray who really are actually seeking God, just seeking Him in all the wrong places. anything God can do, satan can immitate. hundreds of thousands of individuals every year fall prey to this kind of supernatural warfare. their focus is shifted to the messenger rather than to the message... to the reflection of what they think is the light, rather than to the source of the true light. yet they will staunchly defend their faith in all the wrong things. does that make them "not" a christian? not necessarily... but it makes them very misguided christians who need another form of healing... true spiritual healing from God Almighty that will equip them with blinders, so that their sight remains focused on the straight and narrow, rather than getting sidetracked by what is in their peripheral vision.

[Assisi]

i suppose i just don't understand why the source of RCC teachings are not able to be directly from scripture itself. it's the only source we need, and should be the only source we use.

yes, we have the constitution, and we have the supreme court. but it's no secret that the supreme court is ruled over by fallible men who often misinterpret the constitution. we see that every day.... the constitution's own words are so very obvious, that congress shall make no law regarding the endorsement of a religion, or prohibiting the freedom of expression of one's faith... and yet the supreme court  has continuously made law from the bench that forbids christians from doing just that. why? because they are mere mortals who were not present at the time the constitution was written, and they personally disagree with what the framers intended. still, that doesn't mean the rest of us can't reasonably and accurately assess what the framers intended, and recognize how it has been violated by the judges at the top.

in the same way, we have the Bible, the unerring word of God. granted, it often takes a lot of study on a subject in order to find everything that scripture says on that same subject, in order to utilize context to understand its meaning, but it's really not something that requires a panel of "X" number of men to interpret it. no matter how devoted to God (or to the RCC) those men are, they're still fallible. scripture teaches us that when we seek understanding of God's word THRU His word, the Holy Spirit will reveal that meaning to us. and that is all we need!

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Apology accepted and will pray that everything goes well.

As for the x panel.

The papacy is defined as "the ministry of a supreme pastor with the power of jurisdiction to maintain universal unity and orthodoxy within the Christian church," was created by Christ, through the apostle Peter, and this ministry was thereafter succeeded to by the bishops of Rome.

Christ desired His Church to be one --united in Faith; and that He intended His Church to remain united for all time. This is quite clear in Scripture, as when the Lord prays over the Apostles in John 17:20-21, saying:

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[Guest Zayit]

Why do you have to go to a shrine to be healed then? And not all healings come from G-d, remember Job?

[Assisi]

that's interesting history, assissi, but it doesn't make it line up with scripture, with God's own words! millions of christians have felt the healing touch of God without being in a shrine, or without praying to dead saints or to mary. personally i don't see those healings as "inexplicable", because they are what they are... a miraculous healing from God alone.

question... and i don't know if you know who he is or what your feelings are about him, but if someone goes to a healing service led by bob tilton, or any other "healing evangelist" and experience inexplicable healings, does that mean tilton or whoever should get one ounce of credit? does it even necessarily mean God was behind the healing?

i'm saying this, using non catholic evangelists as example for a reason. i don't personally believe God is behind many healings done by, for instance, WOF evangelists. you see, satan comes as an angel of light, to distort the truth and take one's focus off of God. that's His ammunition to lead those astray who really are actually seeking God, just seeking Him in all the wrong places. anything God can do, satan can immitate. hundreds of thousands of individuals every year fall prey to this kind of supernatural warfare. their focus is shifted to the messenger rather than to the message... to the reflection of what they think is the light, rather than to the source of the true light. yet they will staunchly defend their faith in all the wrong things. does that make them "not" a christian? not necessarily... but it makes them very misguided christians who need another form of healing... true spiritual healing from God Almighty that will equip them with blinders, so that their sight remains focused on the straight and narrow, rather than getting sidetracked by what is in their peripheral vision.

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Refer to this scripture when Doctors were converted by this healing.

But the Pharisees, hearing this, said, "This man does not cast out devils except by Beelzebub, the prince of devils." And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand?"

Matthew 12:24-26. See also, Mark 3:22-26, and Luke 11:17-20.

Brother Leo Schwager was miraculously cured of multiple sclerosis. Before his instant cure Leo was totally infirm he could not eat solid food , he had to wear a permanent catheter, could not speak and had to be nursed like a small child. His weight was down to 103 lbs. from the normal 175 and the Doctors gave him 2 or 3 months to live. After being submerged in baths filled with water from the spring at Lourds twice. He was taken with the other sick people to the Esplanade for the Blessing of the sick and to receive the Body of Christ in the Eucharist when the Bishop Presented the Blessed Sacrament Leo said "i felt an intense pain from my head to my feet. My last thought was now I'm going to die. This is when he was witnessed by all catapulting out of his wheelchair to his knees in front of the Bishop completely cured.

This miracle including several others converted Dr. Alexis Carrel an agnostic who witnessed this and who in 1912 won the Nobel Prize for physiology or medicine