Mary Was Just A Woman

July 24, 2005

While the Church Fathers believed in the inspiration and authority of Holy Scripture NONE believed in SOLA Scriptura, that the Scriptures stand ALONE APART from the Tradition or the living Christian faith and the Church's infallible teaching authority.

Which is unfortunate. I will let Horizoneast and others who are more versed in Church history, answer your nonsense regarding that. I will stick to refuting your erroneous mishandling of the Scriptures.

You can follow the church fathers if you want. I'll stick with Jesus and the Bible. He has given me the Holy Spirit who guides me.

Ezek. 44:2 - Ezekiel prophesies that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world. This is a prophecy of Mary's perpetual virginity. Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus.

Ha! It is a prophecy about the Ezekiel's Temple. It has nothing to do with Mary, nor is there any biblical evidence to support such nonsense.

July 24, 2005

assisi, you've lost any credibility where i'm concerned. the Bible alone is the Word of God, and God Himself says that nothing should be ever added to or taken away from it, lest those that do the adding and subtracting perish. God's word is both instructional and historical. apart from that, all we need is faith. tradition of a group of men is not necessary, and in fact is downright dangerous.

sorry you don't believe in sola scriptura. if God had wanted us to not believe in sola scriptura, He'd have written a second book.

Pax · July 24, 2005

While the Church Fathers believed in the inspiration and authority of Holy Scripture NONE believed in SOLA Scriptura, that the Scriptures stand ALONE APART from the Tradition or the living Christian faith and the Church's infallible teaching authority.
Which is unfortunate. I will let Horizoneast and others who are more versed in Church history, answer your nonsense regarding that. I will stick to refuting your erroneous mishandling of the Scriptures.

You can follow the church fathers if you want. I'll stick with Jesus and the Bible. He has given me the Holy Spirit who guides me.

Ezek. 44:2 - Ezekiel prophesies that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world. This is a prophecy of Mary's perpetual virginity. Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus.

Ha! It is a prophecy about the Ezekiel's Temple. It has nothing to do with Mary, nor is there any biblical evidence to support such nonsense.

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Shiloh357,

Do you not think the Church fathers didn't follow or believe in Jesus and the Bible? Which Bible are you giong to stick to? There is a new Bible being made everyday, and if you look back at some of the earlier post, you will see that a new Bible is now being produced that has Jesus being a women. You are missing out on half of Gods revelation by only following scripture....well a little less than half. Martin Luther decided to throw out 6 books in the Bible that had been there for the first 1,500 years. He wanted to throw out the book of James, since it clearly talks of doing good works, but he couldn't quite pull that one off.

Edited July 24, 2005 by Pax

July 25, 2005

Shiloh357,
Do you not think the Church fathers didn't follow or believe in Jesus and the Bible? Which Bible are you giong to stick to? There is a new Bible being made everyday, and if you look back at some of the earlier post, you will see that a new Bible is now being produced that has Jesus being a women. You are missing out on half of Gods revelation by only following scripture....well a little less than half. Martin Luther decided to throw out 6 books in the Bible that had been there for the first 1,500 years. He wanted to throw out the book of James, since it clearly talks of doing good works, but he couldn't quite pull that one off.

I am sorry, but the early church "fathers" (read: "heretics") have a poor track record where I am concerned. I am Jewish, and my people have suffered for 1700 years because of some of the demonic, blasphemous doctrines of the early church "fathers." Pope Pius XII (Y'makh shmo v'zikhron v'ed, "may his name and memory be obliterated forever") refused to condemn the holocaust. Rather, he gave silent approval to it, as did the rest of the leadership of the Catholic church. As a result, some of my ancestors were more easily rounded up and slaughtered in Hitler's death camps. I can quote for you some of the most venomous anti-Semitic diatribes that come from the early church "fathers" starting with the heretic Constantine and moving forward.

The writings of the early church fathers are no more inspired than Shakespeare and even less valuable. I have no use for their writings except to line my cat's litter box. Anything good they may have said is overshadowed by the evil they allowed to occur in the Name of Jesus.

There is only ONE Father of my faith, and it is Jesus.

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

(Hebrews 12:2)

While I love Catholic people, and bear no ill feeligs toward them, I have no respect for the Catholic "fathers."

JohnS · July 25, 2005

I am Jewish, and my people have suffered for 1700 years because of some of the demonic, blasphemous doctrines of the early church "fathers." Pope Pius XII (Y'makh shmo v'zikhron, "may his name and memory be obliterated forever") refused to condemn the holocaust. Rather, he gave silent approval to it, as did the rest of the leadership of the Catholic church. As a result, some of my ancestors were more easily rounded up and slaughtered in Hitler's death camps.

Not to mention some historians have roughly estimated that the persecuting hands of Rome have been reddened by the blood of 50,000,000 saints, but I rather believe that no man can estimate the number.

Pax · July 25, 2005

I am Jewish, and my people have suffered for 1700 years because of some of the demonic, blasphemous doctrines of the early church

Assisi · July 25, 2005

Shiloh357,
Do you not think the Church fathers didn't follow or believe in Jesus and the Bible? Which Bible are you giong to stick to? There is a new Bible being made everyday, and if you look back at some of the earlier post, you will see that a new Bible is now being produced that has Jesus being a women. You are missing out on half of Gods revelation by only following scripture....well a little less than half. Martin Luther decided to throw out 6 books in the Bible that had been there for the first 1,500 years. He wanted to throw out the book of James, since it clearly talks of doing good works, but he couldn't quite pull that one off.

I am sorry, but the early church "fathers" (read: "heretics") have a poor track record where I am concerned. I am Jewish, and my people have suffered for 1700 years because of some of the demonic, blasphemous doctrines of the early church "fathers." Pope Pius XII (Y'makh shmo v'zikhron v'ed, "may his name and memory be obliterated forever") refused to condemn the holocaust. Rather, he gave silent approval to it, as did the rest of the leadership of the Catholic church. As a result, some of my ancestors were more easily rounded up and slaughtered in Hitler's death camps. I can quote for you some of the most venomous anti-Semitic diatribes that come from the early church "fathers" starting with the heretic Constantine and moving forward.

The writings of the early church fathers are no more inspired than Shakespeare and even less valuable. I have no use for their writings except to line my cat's litter box. Anything good they may have said is overshadowed by the evil they allowed to occur in the Name of Jesus.

There is only ONE Father of my faith, and it is Jesus.

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
(Hebrews 12:2)

While I love Catholic people, and bear no ill feeligs toward them, I have no respect for the Catholic "fathers."

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You need to read. History as Bigotry: Daniel Goldhagen slanders the Catholic Church

A Righteous Gentile: Pope Pius XII and the Jews

By Rabbi David Daliny Rabbi David Dalin

The fallowing is during an era that i lived and expierienced so no false historic information.

On Christmas Day, 1941, the New York Times, commenting on Pius XII

July 25, 2005

Oskar Schindler, a Roman Catholic, is regarded as a "righteous gentile" by many Jews for saving the lives of some 3,000

Assisi · July 25, 2005

Oskar Schindler, a Roman Catholic, is regarded as a "righteous gentile" by many Jews for saving the lives of some 3,000

JohnS · July 25, 2005

I am Jewish, and my people have suffered for 1700 years because of some of the demonic, blasphemous doctrines of the early church "fathers." Pope Pius XII (Y'makh shmo v'zikhron, "may his name and memory be obliterated forever") refused to condemn the holocaust. Rather, he gave silent approval to it, as did the rest of the leadership of the Catholic church. As a result, some of my ancestors were more easily rounded up and slaughtered in Hitler's death camps.

Not to mention some historians have roughly estimated that the persecuting hands of Rome have been reddened by the blood of 50,000,000 saints, but I rather believe that no man can estimate the number.

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John S.,
If you are going to make such bold, outrageous claims, such as the ones above, than why don't you cite a source. This is nothing more than anti-Catholic propaganda that someone has brainwashed you with.

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http://www.freegrace.net/library/Fox_Marty...ox_martyrs.html

Start At chapter 4. Let me know when you have finished.

I talked to a missionary in Columbia recently. Most of the population is Catholic, baptised at birth, and that is the end of their religious experience. Would you say that most of the population is saved?