Mary Was Just A Woman

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She is the Mother of God and should be treated as such.

So we say, "Well then, why give glory and honor and devotion to Mary?" Because we do whatever Jesus tells us. And we do whatever Jesus does because the fundamental axiom of Christian morality is the imitacio Christi, the imitation of Christ, and he is the best of the best when it comes to being a son. Not only a Son of his heavenly Father but a Son of his earthly mother. When he accepts the mission of his Father to become a man and to obey the law, he obeys it more perfectly than anybody could have ever imagined it being obeyed. And when he gets to that commandment, "Honor your father and your mother," that Hebrew word, kabodah, means bestow glory, comes from kabod weight, glory. So he honors his Father and obeys his command by bestowing unprecedented glory upon the one that he has chosen from all eternity to be his mother. The only time that the Creator created a human creature, created the one destined to be his mother. And he filled her with his own life and grace because he began honoring as soon as she was created his mother.

So what do we do? We honor Christ and we glorify him and we imitate him. If we really imitate him, we do what he does and we honor and bestow glory upon his mother. Not instead of him. It isn't undermining devotion to Christ. It's to express our devotion of Christ, our worship of Christ by imitating him. And if we do it we're going to be able to see in her face, the face of our mother, because Jesus has taken on her flesh and blood and given us his own Divine nature. Peter says, "We are partakers of Divine nature through Christ" so that his mother can become our mother, spiritually, supernaturally, but actually and really. And so in devotion to him, we can be devoted to her without any compromise, without any tug of war, without any diminution or decrease of our honor to Christ.

Love is not a finite substance. God is love. Love just keeps multiplying and reproducing itself, and the more we love, the more love we have to give. And the more we love Christ, well, we know if there were 90 percent that goes to Christ and 10 percent that goes to Mary, 100 percent of it goes to God and the God-man and therefore 100 percent of it and more is available for us to give to others and especially his Mother who has become our Mother. Isn't that what Jesus is trying to say at the Cross when he says to the beloved disciple. He didn't say "John," he said "to the disciple he loved, 'Behold your Mother.'"

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[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Mary was the mother of Jesus, but not the mother of God.

Jesus Christ is God. One in being begotten not made.

Joh

[Guest revelations]

"Jesus Christ is God. One in being begotten not made."

Hmm, i was expecting that. Yes i know Jesus is God.. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. What i mean is.. Jesus was still flesh, and God is Almighty, He is the Creator. Even though They are one of the same, is Jesus not sitting at the right hand of His Father in Heaven? Mary is the mother of Jesus the son of man.. she gave birth to Jesus as flesh, not Spirit.

In another quote..

"You just said that Mary Created God?"

This is what i made reference too.. Mary did not give birth to God. Anyway.. i feel i am only digging a deeper hole here.. so i will stop while i'm ahead. God bless.

[Kabowd]

There's already a topic on Mary in the Doctrinal forum....

[Guest ChristinaJMJ]

What the Catholic faith believes about Mary is based on what it believes about Christ, and what it teaches about Mary illumines in turn its faith in Christ.

I see so much misinterpretation in this thread...

Until the Holy Spirit gives anyone here the grace to understand the role The Blessed Mother has, you won't understand and those who do understand will post till thier blue in the face. There are so many misconceptions about devotion to her, it blows my mind.

The simple fact is this

Edited July 21, 2005 by ChristinaJMJ

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Revelations,

Jesus was fully God and fully man. Like it or not. He was Ressurected Bodily. In the Flesh. That means at the center of Heaven there sits a God/man. The only One who could purchase your soul. One who was indeed sinless.

No deeper hole here sister. We are just having a discussion.

We are discussing the Word of God. We are discussing who gets the Glory?

In my Bible it ends with God, the Lamb, on the Throne.

The Lamb wins.

In that scenario painted by John who was called up into heaven to write these things down(The Revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ) it ends with us Worshipping God. With the whole Host of heaven saying Worthy is the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of all Creation.

I am sorry, but I fail to see Mary anywhere in that scenario, Save maybe casting her crown(reward) at His feet.

God Bless you dear sister.

I stand corrected if I have misinterpretted your intentions. Please correct me.

Peace,

Dave

Edited July 21, 2005 by Dr. Luke

[Matthitjah]

Sister Christine,

No one is saying she shouldn't be recognized for her role and Obedience in God's Kingdom. I long to meet her and people like Paul in heaven. For that matter J. Vernon Mcghee.(Don't ask? He played a role in my Salvation)

Either way here is where the line is drawn;

"The world being unworthy," said Saint Augustine, "to receive the Son of God directly from the hands of the Father, he gave his Son to Mary for the world to receive him from her."

In direct opposition to the very Word of God from which comes all hearing.

Joh

[Guest ChristinaJMJ]

We are discussing the Word of God. We are discussing who gets the Glory?

In my Bible it ends with God, the Lamb, on the Throne.

The Lamb wins. 

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Exactly correct my friend.

May the Peace of the Risen Jesus be with you.

[Guest Zayit]

...as she has been exalted above all mankind.

Not even close! Only Christ has been exalted above all (Phil. 2:9; Eph. 1:20-21; Heb. 1:4; Acts 2:33; 1 Pet. 3:22)!

Her Son sits at the right hand of the Father and she sits at His offering prayers of intercession on our behalf and extending God's grace to us.

She sits at Jesus' right hand? Not so! Mary has no part in extending God's grace to us. Only Christ Jesus does (John 1:17; Rom. 3:24; 5:21; 1 Cor. 1:4; 2 Tim. 2:1; Eph. 1:6)!

She, like Ruth, is the one who harvests the fields for God. She is the one who brings the lost to Jesus and Jesus to the lost.

Wrong again! First of all, the angels are the reapers of the harvest in the last days (Matt. 9; 13) Secondly, in this age the ones who bring the lost to Jesus are us the children of God in the church! Mary has absolutely no part in the spreading of the gospel in this age or in the age to come.

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One correction there Oyveda, if I may, it is not even us that bring the lost to the L-RD, but only the HOLY Spirit draws them, it is not of man, that we should even be thought to boast of this, thereby letting the door open to heresies such as Mary could do this.

[Guest Zayit]

I'd still like to know why the catholic Church doesn't honor Joseph. . . .

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The Catholic Church does honor Joseph as a great Saint, but Mary is honored as the greatest Saint of all. She was the vessel through which Jesus became God/Man. Joseph is not the actual father of Jesus, but Mary is the Mother of God. This is very hard to understand for many people, even Catholics. I wouldn't expect a non-Catholic to understand this, but I at least want you to have an idea of what the Catholic teaches. I hope this answers your question about Joseph.

Let me add this about Mary. Mary alone had the priviledge of being the Mother of God the son, Jesus Christ. The theological term is theotokos, which is Greek for "the God-bearer". Giving flesh to the "Word made flesh" grants Mary an excellence and a dignity beyond any other creature. This thread was started by a person calling Mary just another "ordinary women." Can you imagine the intimate union and spiritual effects of having God physsically present in you for nine months and then giving Jesus his human nature??? Because Mary as true Mother gave to Jesus what our mothers gave to us, a nature like her own, she is rightly the Mother of God. Mary was not just an ordinary women.

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If that is so, then why did Yeshua not say that?

Mary was born before John wasn't she?

11:11

Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.