The Garden of Eden was where again?

[RonaldBruno]

New research suggests that the Garden of Eden was not in Iraq or Turkey, but where we might expect it to be, the Promise Land, with the four rivers flowing out of Jerusalem. 

This is a long but worthwhile study with all the science behind it. The Great Syrian/African Rift (a crack in the earth's tectonic plates that extends for some 3500 miles from Syria o Mozambique and contains evidence of dozens of dormant and active volcanos) is responsible for the disappearance of two of those rivers and the shift from the original source locations of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers.

I always scratched my head and wondered why would God put the Garden in present day Iraq? Now after reading this, it make sense that it was in present day Israel. OF course the area of the Promise Land included much more territory than Israel occupies today.

This is just a study, and so there is not much to really discuss or debate about it. I am just sharing it. 

https://www.kjvbible.org/rivers_of_the_garden_of_eden.html

[branchesofHim]

1 hour ago, RonaldBruno said:

This is just a study, and so there is not much to really discuss or debate about it. I am just sharing it.

Thanks. Shalom.

[missmuffet]

The only information the Bible gives us about the Garden of Eden is in Genesis 2: 10-14. We do not know the exact location. Many have speculated on the location. 

[RonaldBruno]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The only information the Bible gives us about the Garden of Eden is in Genesis 2: 10-14. We do not know the exact location. Many have speculated on the location. 

The Bible does tell us where the Promise Land is. And since mkst of the events center ariund Jerusalm, why would we expect God to create the Garden in some ither location? At the end of the Bible we also see where the Lord will physically be during the Millennial Kingdom. Aside from the logic, the study offers a plausible scientific explanation.

Did you read it?

[teddyv]

I quickly scanned through it and I think they are making some large assumptions on the geology. It's an interesting premise. The premise is also based on a young earth model/interpretation.

I am not totally sure but I think they may have misinterpreted the topographic/geology map because I don't see the block faults they refer to. If they are referring to the thin lines as faults, those are actually seismic survey profile lines, not faults.

[Zemke]

8 hours ago, RonaldBruno said:

New research suggests that the Garden of Eden was not in Iraq or Turkey, but where we might expect it to be, the Promise Land, with the four rivers flowing out of Jerusalem. 

This is a long but worthwhile study with all the science behind it. The Great Syrian/African Rift (a crack in the earth's tectonic plates that extends for some 3500 miles from Syria o Mozambique and contains evidence of dozens of dormant and active volcanos) is responsible for the disappearance of two of those rivers and the shift from the original source locations of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers.

I always scratched my head and wondered why would God put the Garden in present day Iraq? Now after reading this, it make sense that it was in present day Israel. OF course the area of the Promise Land included much more territory than Israel occupies today.

This is just a study, and so there is not much to really discuss or debate about it. I am just sharing it. 

https://www.kjvbible.org/rivers_of_the_garden_of_eden.html

I know a few people who believe the land was the garden. But the destruction of the flood makes it difficult and maybe impossible for science to ever be clear about it.

Theologically though it makes much sense. Where it all began it will end. The garden narratives are interesting also. Mary at the resurrection mistook Jesus for who? The gardener. Jesus was betrayed where? In the garden. John 19:41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new tomb.....

The first person to taste of the bad news in Genesis was a woman and the first person to hear of the good news in the NT was a woman. Satan was in the garden having entered Judas and of coarse Jesus being the second Adam. All the characters are there. In Marks Gospel record we see a naked man running and hiding. 

Anyway it isn't something I would be dogmatic about and turn it into some emphasis to believe because the scriptures do not emphasis it but Jerusalem would seem to be the epicenter where the fall took place and the whole land actually being the garden. But only God knows the exact GPS spot.

Johns gospel was written in a style the first century Jews were familiar with, and he was showing that Jesus is the Christ by portraying him as actually fulfilling what was necessary to correct the fall. And he begins his gospel with the Phrase, "In the beginning". Jesus is always going up to, having come from or preparing to go to Jerusalem. It's very festive in the sense there's always a feast surrounding, or is part of the narrative. In John 10 Jesus was in Jerusalem for Hanukkah when He proclaimed Himself the light of the world. Hanukkah, the festival of lights. Not a Levitical feast but Jesus was there.

Johns Gospel is unique. 

I believe the garden was the land, but if I'm wrong, no biggy. On a very simple wonderful level it just makes sense. And the bible is fantastically simple in it's incredible complexity.  

Edited June 20, 2020 by Zemke

[RonaldBruno]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

I quickly scanned through it and I think they are making some large assumptions on the geology. It's an interesting premise. The premise is also based on a young earth model/interpretation.

I am not totally sure but I think they may have misinterpreted the topographic/geology map because I don't see the block faults they refer to. If they are referring to the thin lines as faults, those are actually seismic survey profile lines, not faults.

I don't know, it sounded plausible. I've done little study on the Great Rift Valley (Syrian/African Rift) before, which is a series of connecting faults that stretches more than 3500 miles. It contains thirty volcanoes, some active and some dormant. The active ones are in East Africa near the Arabian plate. Most volcanoes form in fissures when magma rises between converging plates. (You know this if you study Geology - just stating this for others). In the Jordan Valley region there has been extensive volcanic activity up to about  3700 years ago. Evidence of cone-shaped craters and/or volcanic lava sheets exist all throughout the area of Bashan, the Golan Heights, the Sea of Galilee, the Dead Sea and south beyond the Red Sea both on the land surface and deep beneath the waters. Many thermal hot springs break out near these fault lines today. Dr. Daubeny suggests that some Old Testament scriptures infer volcanic activity. the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah around 1713 BC would certainly qualify.\

During Christ's time the Dead Sea was even called the Lake of Fire and Smoke. The northern area of the Dead Sea is where Sodom and Gomorrah once existed. That area smoldered for many hundreds of years after these towns were destroyed and still as recently as a few hundred years ago, outbursts of fire, smoke and the smell of sulphur were recorded. Other names of the Dead Sea are these: The Salt Sea, Sea of Aravah, Lake of Asphalt, Eastern Sea, The Sea of Sodom, the Sea of Lot, The Devil's Sea, the Sea of Zoar and the Stinking Sea.

 Other interesting correlations point to this area. the Valley of Hinnom leads towards the Dead Sea. Christ was tempted about 7 miles northwest of Jerusalem. Jericho is a few miles north of the Dead Sea. The High priest sent the scapegoat which symbolically was laden with the sins of Israel out into this wilderness once a year during the Atonement ritual. One of the areas of temptation was Mt. Quarantal. It is said that this is where demons dwell deep below the surface. East of Galilee, Jesus cast out demons into a herd of pigs: "They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the Abyss."Luke 8:31 Somewhere along this passage could be the entrance into the Abyss / Bottomless Pit that is opened in Rev. 9:1, 2 releasing these demons, smoke and fire. Maybe that information is more interesting than the origin of the Garden?

I just thought due to the history of volcanic activity and plates shifting, this could be the reason why the rivers were cut off, displaced and disappeared.

[RonaldBruno]

15 minutes ago, Zemke said:

I know a few people who believe the land was the garden. But the destruction of the flood makes it difficult and maybe impossible for science to ever be clear about it.

Theologically though it makes much sense. Where it all began it will end. The garden narratives are interesting also. Mary at the resurrection mistook Jesus for who? The gardener. Jesus was betrayed where? In the garden. John 19:41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new tomb.....

The first person to taste of the bad news in Genesis was a woman and the first person to hear of the good news in the NT was a woman. Satan was in the garden having entered Judas and of coarse Jesus being the second Adam. All the characters are there. In Marks Gospel record we see a naked man running and hiding. 

Anyway it isn't something I would be dogmatic about and turn it into some emphasis to believe because the scriptures do not emphasis it but Jerusalem would seem to be the epicenter where the fall took place and the whole land actually being the garden. But only God knows the exact GPS spot.

Johns gospel was written in a style the first century Jews were familiar with, and he was showing that Jesus is the Christ by portraying him as actually fulfilling what was necessary to correct the fall. And he begins his gospel with the Phrase, "In the beginning". Jesus is always going up to, having come from or preparing to go to Jerusalem. It's very festive in the sense of there's always a feast surrounding or is part of the narrative. In John 10 Jesus was in Jerusalem for Hanukkah when He proclaimed Himself the light of the world. Hanukkah, the festival of lights.  

Johns Gospel is unique. 

I believe the garden was the land, but if I'm wrong, no biggy. On a very simple wonderful level it just makes sense. And the bible is fantastically simple in it's incredible complexity.  

You brought up many interesting correlations. I'd rather imagine Jerusalem as where it all began than Iraq or Turkey. In Iraq has evil in it's history. This was the land of ancient Babylon, where all the false religions and philosophies came, where God confused their language and scattered them. Turkey is where Satan's throne was/is, in Pergamum. God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden, I'm sure He didn't allow Satan to take up his residence there! 

[Zemke]

29 minutes ago, RonaldBruno said:

You brought up many interesting correlations. I'd rather imagine Jerusalem as where it all began than Iraq or Turkey. In Iraq has evil in it's history. This was the land of ancient Babylon, where all the false religions and philosophies came, where God confused their language and scattered them. Turkey is where Satan's throne was/is, in Pergamum. God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden, I'm sure He didn't allow Satan to take up his residence there! 

I agree. 

I've heard of speculation of under the Red Sea. Something to do with satellite mapping. Can't remember if it had something to do with converging rivers or not. 

[Guest]

On 6/19/2020 at 6:28 PM, teddyv said:

I quickly scanned through it and I think they are making some large assumptions on the geology. It's an interesting premise. The premise is also based on a young earth model/interpretation.

I am not totally sure but I think they may have misinterpreted the topographic/geology map because I don't see the block faults they refer to. If they are referring to the thin lines as faults, those are actually seismic survey profile lines, not faults.

The website is based on the Gap Theory and is consistent within the Bible.