Messianic Believers how Many?

[Guest sjr]

[Guest yod]

I have never been to a Shul or Synagogue, nor have I had any real Messianic type training, but my heart is Jewish.  I have been wondering how you "become" a Messianic believer.  I just know my heart.   Although I am very interest in the lifestyle and all, I have no one to teach me or show me.  I would be afraid to just show up at one of the Messianic churches (probably wrong word, sorry) because I wouldn't know what to do.

Actually, just this Saturday I confessed to a friend that I am almost envyous and jealous because I am not Jewish.

Maybe someone could give me some pointers?  

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You sound like you've got what I call "The Zion bug"

Most messianics are not jewish anymore. It seems like a parellel to the early church which started out exclusively jewish but then gentiles found out how much fun it was, and took over.

But I don't understand the need to become jewish that some people feel. We are adopted and equally loved by the Father.

I love all the "stuff" of being messianic; The Feasts, the onegs, Shabbat, etc....but that isn't why I'm messianic.

I believe that something went very wrong in the early church. It seems obvious with very little study that there arose a division between the hebraic and the hellenistic perspectives of the early church. An overview of the book of Romans will bear this out.

Competition between Rome and Jerusalem has seemingly always existed and the jews have seemingly always lost.

I digress....the early "Church Fathers" wrote some of the most bigoted and hateful things you will ever see about the jews as a race. I could never trust anything else they would say because of it.

Then, when christianity was codified into a religious institution during the first councils (nicea, laodecia) they conspicously didn't invite any of the jewish leaders of the church...and went on to outlaw anything remotely jewish.

This was the prevailing attitude of the institutional church for 1300 years and that isn't easy to "unteach" so it just became accepted as if it were the gospel itself.

I see the returning jewish people to their Messiah as the legitimate remnant of Israel and can't understand why every Bible believing christian isn't excited about being with them?

I go to a messianic synagogue...and an Assemblies of God church. The only differences I recognize are cultural and traditions. I am both messianic and christian, moving equally well in both worlds...but there IS a difference.

maybe I should bump up that "hebraic vs hellenistic" thread again?

[Guest shiloh357]

Do you attend a synogogue on Shabbat too? I know of many in my congregation that do both.

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Well, we don't have a Messianic congregation here. We used to many, many, many years ago, but the man in charge passed away, and there was no one qualified to take over, and His wife was not able. So, it disbanded. I didn't find out about it until it was too late. So, I have found some loving Jewish and nonJewish believers in this area, who are interested in these things, and we get together for the Festivals.

I pretty much have to study on my own, though. I also lead a group called "I.S.A.A.C. (ISrael Advocacy Action Committee). We learn and teach others about what is going on in Israel, so that we can all write letters to our leaders and to Israel's leaders encouraging them to honor God's covenant with Israel. We remind them what the Bible says, and we even take up offerings to send gifts like kosher food baskets and such to Israeli soldiers.

[Guest Zayit]

Do you attend a synogogue on Shabbat too? I know of many in my congregation that do both.

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Well, we don't have a Messianic congregation here. We used to many, many, many years ago, but the man in charge passed away, and there was no one qualified to take over, and His wife was not able. So, it disbanded. I didn't find out about it until it was too late. So, I have found some loving Jewish and nonJewish believers in this area, who are interested in these things, and we get together for the Festivals.

I pretty much have to study on my own, though. I also lead a group called "I.S.A.A.C. (ISreal Advocacy Action Committee'). We learn and teach others about what is going on in Israel, so that we can all write letters to our leaders and to Israel's leaders encouraging them to honor God's covenant with Israel. We remind them what the Bible says, and we even take up offerings to send gifts like kosher food baskets and such to Israeli soldiers.

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I am sorry to hear about your disbanded congregation, but maybe it is for the best, it sure seems as if you are doing the L-RDs will were you are and ISAAC sounds wonderful!

[mikhailjb7]

Well I consider myself Messianic though I am without a shul at the moment .

Shalom,

Mikhail ben Gino

[Avodah]

But I don't understand the need to become jewish that some people feel. We are adopted and equally loved by the Father.

I don't think it is a need to become jewish, I just want to be able to celebrate the feasts, shabbat, etc...and to learn. I don't know how to explain it Yod, it's not the "religon" I want, nor the "name". It's the knowledge and the understanding. Does that make sense?

I know what I am trying to say, it is just so hard to put in writing for me.

Blessings!

[Guest Zayit]

I understand krazy what you are saying, you are being drawn, you just have'nt been told why just yet.

[Avodah]

I understand krazy what you are saying, you are being drawn, you just have'nt been told why just yet.

Thank you Zayit

[Guest yod]

But I don't understand the need to become jewish that some people feel. We are adopted and equally loved by the Father.

I don't think it is a need to become jewish, I just want to be able to celebrate the feasts, shabbat, etc...and to learn. I don't know how to explain it Yod, it's not the "religon" I want, nor the "name". It's the knowledge and the understanding. Does that make sense?

I know what I am trying to say, it is just so hard to put in writing for me.

Blessings!

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I wasn't referring to you personally. Sorry if it came across that way.

[JewishHeart]

I am messianic... and attend a messianic congregation in Israel. When I lived in America I went to both a messianic congregation and a church. I loved the liturgy of the messianic congregation, but there were two in my area, and neither had a move of the Spirit. The one I was involved in and helped with was the more liturgical of the two (I might as well go all the way) and I got the moving of the Spirit at a charismatic church. However, the one I was in wasn't "orthodox" or weird like I see some today.... it is now part of MJAA, used to be part of UMJC... even though its very liturgical... it was very much into Jewish outreach, and disagreed with the UMJC's new stance.

The other messianic synagogue in town didn't even have aliyat hatorah. However, one thing I always look for in a messianic synagogue is their focus on the One New Man and that they don't outright condemn the church and call it evil. You can find messianic congregations that are less liturgical and condemn the church, and you can even find messianic congregations that are more liturgical, but in a good spirit... and vice versa. It isn't how liturgical it is, it is the spirit and attitudes of the people in the congregation... and that they don't slip into too much weirdness.

Edited August 7, 2005 by JewishHeart