Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

[douggg]

46 minutes ago, JAG** said:

John's antichrist

John never said "his" antichrist.   nor his antichrists.

The doctrine you are holding is a false doctrine because it attempts to conflate the singular coming antichrist as becoming multiple antichrists.

 

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John expands his antichrists from being one individual to being a multitude ,"many antichrists", and puts them in the time of the 1st century some 2000 years ago.

John doesn't have "his antichrists".    And John did not expand "antichrist shall come" into multiple antichrists.     John never corrected them he was speaking to saying that they were wrong about the singular coming antichrist.

You are using verbal slight of hand by saying :"his antichrists" and "John's antichrist(s)".

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by douggg

[JAG**]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I'll say you are ill informed, and so is the person you are quoting. I can "DESTROY"

this thesis in 5 minutes. John is not speaking about many that are AGAINST God when

he specifies ONE PERSON by stating "THAT" Anti-Christ, he points to one person. 

The Little Horn in Daniel 7 and 8 is ONE MAN........Daniel 7:11 says the Beast is a MAN !!

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake:

I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles

before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them

that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

This is not that complicated, tbh, its stuff that should be understood when Christians are young,

older Christians who can't see this I do not understand. 

You quoted Daniel 7.

There is zero connection between Daniel 7 and John's antichrist. The connection between

John's antichrists and Daniel  7 is 100% pure personal assumption and personal interpretative 

speculation. There is no Bible-Verse that connects John's antichrists with Daniel  7

Question: Do you have a Bible verse that connects John's antichrists mentioned below , , , 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

 . . .  with any of these down there?

 

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

 

The Bible mentions antichrist in ONLY these 4 instances. 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

So we MUST make a clear and solid CONNECTION between John's antichrists

and other parts of the Bible --- otherwise we have to give up the name "antichrist"

and just issue a proclamation that the imagined future "evil man" is called whatever

anyone  wants to call him --- just don't call him THE "antichrist" or antichrist.

 

Why did I post all the above to you?

Because  you quoted my entire Opening Post which is all about what I just posted to you.

 

So far the title of my Opening Post and thread remained unrefuted:

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

 

JAG

[JAG**]

10 minutes ago, douggg said:

John never said "his" antichrist.   nor his antichrists.

 

When I use the expression  "John's antichrists" I mean to refer

to John's mention of antichrist in these 4 instances 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7 

 

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[douggg]

2 minutes ago, JAG** said:

 

When I use the expression  "John's antichrists" I mean to refer

to John's mention of antichrist in these 4 instances 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7 

 

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It is misleading because your are making a group when there is no group of antichrist shall come singular plus them who were displaying the trait(s) of the singular antichrist person.

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Hmmm. Is there a religion today that denies "the Father AND the SON?"  I know there is.

Apostate Israel.  The unfaithful.  The harlot.

[JAG**]

12 hours ago, douggg said:

 

 

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have

heard that antichrist shall come,

even now are there many antichrists;

whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

 

 Here below is your problem in a nutshell:

You do NOT have a Bible verse that connects John's antichrists mentioned below , , , 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

 . . .  with any of these down there?

 

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

 

The Bible mentions antichrist in ONLY these 4 instances. 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

So you MUST make a clear and solid CONNECTION between John's antichrists

and other parts of the Bible --- otherwise you have to give up the name "antichrist"

and just issue a proclamation that your  imagined future "evil man" is called whatever

you   want to call him --- just don't call him THE "antichrist" or antichrist. Why not?

Because you have zero Biblical warrant for calling your imaginary future "evil man"

the antichrist or an an antichrist.

 

JAG

 

[douggg]

9 minutes ago, JAG** said:

Here below is your problem in a nutshell:

You do NOT have a Bible verse that connects John's antichrists mentioned below , , , 

 I don't have a problem.    Because I understand why them who John was talking to had already heard that antichrist shall come.

You are the one with the problem because you don't have a clue.

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You are going off on some adventure to claim that there is not going to be a singular coming antichrist person.  

 

I have a chart tracking the arch villain of the end times and you don't.

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by douggg

[JAG**]

29 minutes ago, douggg said:

John never said "his" antichrist.   nor his antichrists.

   You are using verbal slight of hand by saying :"his antichrists" and "John's antichrist(s)".

 You are incorrect.

John expands his antichrists from being one individual to being
a multitude ,"many antichrists", and puts them in the time of the

1st century some 2000 years ago.

1 John 2:18-19
 "Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that

the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come.

This is how we know it is the last hour. ¹⁹They went out from us,

but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us,

they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none

of them belonged to us."
 

Note the particulars in 1 John 2:18-19

"this is the last hour" -- a reference to the time of the 1st Century  some 2000 years ago

"the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come" -- not one "The antichrist" but "many antichrists"

"many antichrists" --- so John's antichrists were plural, many antichrists,  and not just one 

"even now" -- John's antichrists lived in  the time of the 1st century some 2000 years ago

"have come" -- John's antichrists    lived in the time of the 1st century some 2000 years ago

"they went out from us" -- John's  antichrists lived  in  the 1st Century some 2000 years ago

"they would have remained with us" -- John's  antichrists lived in  the  1st century, in the time John lived, some 2000 years ago

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Questions:

{1} When did John's antichrists come? Answer "even now" in the time of the 1st century some 2000 years ago

{2} Again when did John's antichrists come? Answer: they "have come" in the time of the 1st century some 2000 years ago

{3} What was the number of John's antichrist? Answer: "many antichrists" plural and not just one

{4} What did John's antichrist do? Answer: "they went out from us" -- ie they went out from John and the apostles some 2000 years ago

 

Conclusion: John's antichrists were 1st century Christian apostates.

 

[JAG**]

26 minutes ago, douggg said:

 

I don't have a problem.    Because I understand why them who John was talking to had already heard that antichrist shall come.

You are the one with the problem because you don't have a clue.

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 When we "translate" your comment up there it really means that , , , 

You do NOT have a Bible verse that connects John's antichrists mentioned below , , , 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

 . . .  with any of these down there?

 

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

 

The Bible mentions antichrist in ONLY these 4 instances. 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

So you MUST make a clear and solid CONNECTION between John's antichrists

and other parts of the Bible --- otherwise you have to give up the name "antichrist"

and just issue a proclamation that your  imagined future "evil man" is called whatever

you   want to call him --- just don't call him THE "antichrist" or antichrist. Why not?

Because you have zero Biblical warrant for calling your imaginary future "evil man"

the antichrist or  an antichrist.

 

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You have no arguments to refute the above --- so you demonize the

message and demonize me personally by accusing me of teaching

false doctrines even though  I have demonstrated to you that good

and true born again Bible believing Christians in the 4 different 

Christian Eschatological camps disagree on the end times passages.

 

JAG

 

PS

You will notice that I have NOT one time insulted a single person in this

thread. ALL the insults have come from you and from the people on your

side.  I have been personally insulted several  times in this thread but have

NOT replied in kind, not even one time --- and nor will I ever.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by JAG**

[douggg]

11 minutes ago, JAG** said:

 When we "translate" your comment up there it really means that , , , 

You do NOT have a Bible verse that connects John's antichrists mentioned below , , , 

No what it really means is what I wrote - you don't have a clue as to why them who John was speaking to had already heard that antichrist shall come.

Why don't you explain why they had already heard that antichrist shall come?   a singular person.

 

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by douggg