My Take On Sin

[Peterlag]

10 hours ago, RonaldBruno said:

Are you not a man? Are you not walking around in your flesh? Or are you composed of spirit only?

"And ah for a man to arise in me, That the man I am may cease to be!"  Tennyson

I don't want you to think I'm not trying to answer you because I am. It seems to me we don't understand each other. I'm looking at the resurrected Christ and what is in him and I don't see sin. You seem to be looking at yourself and how well you sin. We just are not on the same page.

[RonaldBruno]

“How are we who are still alive going to be able to likewise reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God? It seems to me it must be done through Jesus Christ our Lord. It's not about us or our broken selves.” Peterlag 8-29

>> Spiritually we are pure, but we are still carrying around the flesh which we must mortify daily. Loving others is an act that we demonstrate daily, physically, emotionally, willfully. It is His Spirit, His Love that works through us. So we must demonstrate it not just in word but in deed, physically with our flesh/body.

“It appears both Catholic and Protestant churches do not teach that "sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Peterlag 8-29

>> Well Catholic Churches teach faith plus works. Protestant Churches teach that we are saved by faith through Grace and this is not of ourselves, it is a gift.

“What Paul talks about in the seventh chapter of Romans is what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them.” Peterlag 8-29

>Paul uses the pronoun “I”. He is talking about himself and all Christians. Not just those who are legalistic. He was one of the most spiritual men who “walked in the Spirit” . Take it from him, don’t distort what he said. Here is an Audio of John MacArthur answering the question: Can a Christian still struggle with sin?

“The war is with their flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them.” Peterlag 8-2

> Fundamentally, our flesh has not yet been redeemed and sin still dwells within. Has our flesh been destroyed? Are you still walking around or are you floating? Do you return to your selfish ways? Do you possess evil thoughts at times, even though you don’t act on them? Do you desire, lust after things that you should not? That is the flesh. We get those thoughts and desires and so no to them. That is the battle. If you say this struggle does not go on within you, you deceive yourself. Our spirit wars against the flesh and though you cannot understand this concept, it’s true. Ironically,  many of your responses to me and others are fleshy, obstinate and a bit prideful.

“The law does not apply to the Christian.” Peterlag  8-31

> Wrong again. The Law is spiritual. We are not saved by the Law, but must still obey it. Jesus gave us two commandments to obey – which all others fall under. We are saved by faith, but still obey His Commandments.

“I see the "sin nature" as something that existed before Jesus Christ destroyed it when the spirit of Christ came within the believer.” Peterlag  9-0

>Wrong. He didn’t destroy it yet. Our spirit will separate our flesh at death, then it will be destroyed and later be resurrected to life. So as I said before, we are living in the “already … but not yet” realm of salvation. So we reckon our flesh to be dead … already … but not yet.

 “Most Christians still believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. And this is why they believe their sins are forgiven when they are born again up to that point. Most of all of those same Christians believe they must run to God to confess and repent their new sins every time they sin after becoming a Christian.”  Peterlag 9-02

>No, mature Christians believe that God makes us holy. They believe that we are transformed by the renewing of our minds, as we read the Word. The Word transforms us gradually. We grow spiritually gradually. Therefore an immature Christian would fail to love others more often than a mature Christian would. And yes, we confess our sins, not that if we died at any moment we would have missed some. No, because we are humble when we acknowledge our faults to God and to others when we mess up. We try not to repeat that sin again and discuss with Him and He helps us, gives us strength.

“It's not really my spirit, but rather the spirit of Christ. And if you want to split hairs, it's really not his spirit because it came from God, which is why it's sometimes referred to as the spirit of God.” Peterlag 9-2

>Father, Son, Holy Spirit are ONE.

 ‘Perhaps it’s not, “Be ye transformed by the renewal of your mind”; but rather” Be renewed in the spirit of your mind.’ Peterlag 9-2

>Don’t add your own theology and distort the meaning of scripture. It is means what it says.  It means to use the new mind (drawing from the knowledge of the Word)  instead of the old mind (memories of your old ways).

“Most believers have been taught it's them, their mind, and therefore their flesh that should be involved in renewing their mind.” Peterlag 9-2

>Our soul, spirit and body cooperates with the Holy Spirit. We obey His Commandments. We pick up the Bible and we go to Church and we get up every morning and prayer and we help others with all our being.

“I have not been walking in the spirit since I was a Christian.  I did not even know there was a spirit when I became a Christian. ” Peterlag 9-3 

>There you go, conflicting with what your whole claim is, that Christ destroyed the flesh when you became a Christian. Then if you weren’t walking in the Spirit, when you became a Christian, what were you walking in?

“My flesh does not get in the way. It's been crucified with Christ. It's dead... completely dead in him.” Peterlag

>Are you sure?