Let's talk about the faith of Jesus Christ

[Peterlag]

12 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said:

Amen. 

Oh my God... what is this? Two people on the planet that understand Jesus Christ can have his own faith. That such a thing does occur in the Bible.

[Peterlag]

2 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I've done some research on "faith in Jesus Christ" and "faith of Jesus Christ".  This goes back to Calvin and Barth arguing the phraseology.  It bares a much deeper look into this phraseology to see what it means and where it is taking the Christian faith.

I had heard that as well. I will look at whatever you found if you would enjoy telling me what to google.

[David1701]

10 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Two main things here:

1.) I am very happy that somebody somewhere can understand that Jesus Christ has his own faith. That such a thing does occur in the Bible.

2.) I hate to rain on the party... but how is it without question that it is referring to Peter's faith? Why can't it be the man's faith who received the healing?

I did not even address your point in 1.) and nothing I posted should be taken as implying that this verse deals with that subject.

Regarding 2.): there is absolutely nothing to suggest that it is referring to the faith of the man who received the healing.  He was expecting to receive alms, not a healing

[Guest]

16 hours ago, Peterlag said:

I had heard that as well. I will look at whatever you found if you would enjoy telling me what to google.

I would be pleased to provide you with some of the links I have read.  I don't know what to make of it yet, so I'm not sure what help I can be.  "Faith in" versus "Faith of" Jesus Christ was an argument Barth had with Calvin.  It then goes off into prophecy.  I had the feeling Barth was trying to start a new denomination, but I could be wrong.  I'm not sure I liked Calvin's response any better.  Some of these terms show up in Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  They also share similar terminology as found in the writings on Reformed Theology.  Right now your word choice has me confused.

Faith of Versus Faith in

Berean Bible Society

Soteriology - What caused the shift from Faith of to Faith in Jesus Christ

Calvin, Barth and Reformed Theology

[Your closest friendnt]

 

⁴⁰ But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.

⁴¹ And he gave her his hand, and lifted her up, and when he had called the saints and widows, presented her alive.

⁴² And it was known throughout all Joppa; and many believed in the Lord.

*****

this is a miracle by Peter some time after the day of Penticost....

It's unique as it is...

[Your closest friendnt]

41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”

43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.

This miracle took place a week before the Cross...

 

[Peterlag]

13 hours ago, David1701 said:

I did not even address your point in 1.) and nothing I posted should be taken as implying that this verse deals with that subject.

Regarding 2.): there is absolutely nothing to suggest that it is referring to the faith of the man who received the healing.  He was expecting to receive alms, not a healing

Good point. However, I heard a minister say a very long time ago that the guy was not looking for an alm when he saw Peter and John.

[Peterlag]

6 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I would be pleased to provide you with some of the links I have read.  I don't know what to make of it yet, so I'm not sure what help I can be.  "Faith in" versus "Faith of" Jesus Christ was an argument Barth had with Calvin.  It then goes off into prophecy.  I had the feeling Barth was trying to start a new denomination, but I could be wrong.  I'm not sure I liked Calvin's response any better.  Some of these terms show up in Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  They also share similar terminology as found in the writings on Reformed Theology.  Right now your word choice has me confused.

Faith of Versus Faith in

Berean Bible Society

Soteriology - What caused the shift from Faith of to Faith in Jesus Christ

Calvin, Barth and Reformed Theology

I love you.

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, Peterlag said:

I love you.

The brother only said what someone said, about the beggar who lived thousands of years after the begar whom he never met and which cannot be supported by the facts...

It was a statement that raises an argument that was not proven....and cannot be proven...can only be disproved by the facts in the narrative in the book of Acts.  

Saved by Grace did not say that he believes this as a truth statement...

He only said what someone suggested without proof...a frivolous statement...

The fact remains that the beggar was there asking for money or something valuable... 

If in the past he could have believed that Jesus could healed him..

But by now Jesus was dead...and not one that the beggar knew had been healed after the Cross...

There was nothing available to him to build faith in Jesus Christ as a healer...

Before the Cross of Jesus the beggar may have that hope... but as in the case of Bartholomew he did not pursue that belief...

The reason the people approach him it was to give him alms...and that what he was expecting from the disciples, he never expected to be healed and walk...

And then who knows if he was a secret believer of Jesus Christ before his Cross and a believer again after the message of Penticost, he may have heard the Gospel message from those who had believed after the day of Penticost...or he may have been wondering if it is truth what he had heard about Jesus resurrection...

But not miracles had be done yet in public in the name of Jesus Christ...(not in the name of the God of the old Covenant)...by any prophet of that period and after their death...

After that miracle of Peter the people had build up hope to be healed and were waiting for Peter to visit the Temple...

That even the sick were healed when the shadow of Peter fall upon them as Peter was passing by on the way to the Temple...

That shows not only that Jesus Christ was alive but also that God had approved of  Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ was from God...that God gave a sign that he welcome Peter and the disciples of Jesus Christ...that they were a blessing and not a course...

To the people that was a sign that Jesus Christ was a blessing from God...

 

Edited October 15, 2020 by Your closest friendnt

[David1701]

10 hours ago, Peterlag said:

Good point. However, I heard a minister say a very long time ago that the guy was not looking for an alm when he saw Peter and John.

Assuming that your memory is accurate, the minister was very much mistaken.

Acts 3:2-6 (KJV)

2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

It could hardly be made clearer that the man was asking for and looking for alms.  Peter tells him that he has none to give; but, instead, gives him something far better.