Jew and Gentile believers are "all Israel"!

[Retrobyter]

58 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

In Hebrew YESHUA means Salvation, thus in many places in the Old Testament where SALVATION is spoken of in the first person, it is basically just saying YESHUA/Salvation/Jesus.  Most people don't understand why Jesus isn't in the Old Testament, well, he is, he was the SALVATION (Yeshua) spoken of by many of the Patriarchs and Prophets. This is why the Angel told Mary/Joseph that his name would be Yeshua (Salvation). 

The 10 Northern tribes were never lost as per their seeds. They always had seed living in Judea until they were dispersed like Judah in 70 AD, they just became ONE STICK, as the Prophecy in Ezekiel 37 stated would happen.

Shalom, Revelation Man.

NO! That's a popular misconception, but "Yeshua`" or more fully "Yeeshuwa`," does NOT mean "Salvation," NOR does it mean "God saves" or anything like that! "Yeeshuwa`" means "HE shall save" or "HE shall rescue" or HE shall deliver!" IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that we get that right!

LOOK AT THE SCRIPTURES!

Matthew 1:20-21 (KJV)

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,

"Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (English transliteration of the Greek name "Ieesous," a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew/Aramaic name "Yeeshuwa`"): for 'he shall save' his people from their sins!"

The grammar of this word makes a HUGE difference!

No, that, too, is a misconception. The 10 northern tribes of Israel were NOT represented in Yhudah. Instead, we don't know WHAT became of those tribes! . . . But, GOD knows where they are and what became of them! There's a few prophecies that talk about God calling them back from wherever they ended up. Here's one:

Zechariah 10:6-12 (KJV)

6 "And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them. 7 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the LORD. 8 I will hiss (whistle) for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.

9 "And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again. 10 I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them. 11 And he shall pass through the sea with affliction, and shall smite the waves in the sea, and all the deeps of the river shall dry up: and the pride of Assyria shall be brought down, and the sceptre of Egypt shall depart away. 12 And I will strengthen them in the LORD; and they shall walk up and down in his name," saith the LORD.

[Moby]

1 hour ago, JohnR7 said:

Many are called and few are chosen has to do with Holiness and Sanctification. This has to do with our wedding garment being washed and cleansed in the Precious Blood of the Lamb. 

Amen John! Here is part of this link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

Where Rob clearly proves our wedding garment must be put on in this life on earth if wee want to attend Jesus' wedding supper in heaven:

Many Christians say the Jewish wedding ceremony proves a pretrib rapture but Jesus clearly proves His Father’s wedding for Him begins with the marriage feast here on earth.

Our Father sent His servants to invite the OT Jews to the marriage feast first. Many did not come to this earthly marriage feast but chose to kill some of His servants and so He destroyed those murderers and burned their city in 70 AD:

Matthew 22:1-7 And Jesus answered and spake again in parables unto them, saying, (2) The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a certain king, who made a marriage feast for his son, (3) and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the marriage feast: and they would not come. (4) Again he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them that are bidden, Behold, I have made ready my dinner; my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come to the marriage feast. (5) But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his merchandise; (6) and the rest laid hold on his servants, and treated them shamefully, and killed them. (7) But the king was wroth; and he sent his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned their city.

Since that time our Father has been inviting both Jews and Gentiles to this same marriage feast on earth until it is full of all the guests who were called:

Matthew 22:8-14 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they that were bidden were not worthy. (9) Go ye therefore unto the partings of the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage feast. (10) And those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad(Gentiles) and good(Jews): and the wedding was filled with guests.

Some of the guests who are called by our Father to His Son’s marriage feast, on earth, come and partake of the feast but do not allow that Word to manifest as a “wedding garment” so they will be cast out into the outer darkness which is hell:

Matthew 22:11-14  But when the king came in to behold the guests, he saw there a man who had not on a wedding-garment: (12) and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding-garment? And he was speechless. (13) Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. (14) For many are called, but few chosen.

This “wedding garment” is to “put on of the Lord Jesus Christ”, while here on earth, learning to make no provision for our flesh so that our garment is not spotted by the flesh:

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Jude 1:23 and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jesus told us to feast on the Word, that became flesh, while here on earth for it is those who have eternal life and will be raised up at the last day:

John 6:54-58 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (55) For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (56) He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me, and I in him. (57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me. (58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven: not as the fathers ate, and died; he that eateth this bread shall live for ever.

We are to continually allow Jesus to wash us with the Word until we have no spot, wrinkle, or blemish on our garment but are a holy, glorious, sanctified church when He comes to present us to Himself in the clouds where He will take us to our Father in heaven:

Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it; (26) that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, (27) that he might present the church to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Jesus told us to have our loins girded with this wedding garment and our lamp burning from our feasting on His Word while on earth as we look for our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 12:35-36 Let your loins be girded about, and your lamps burning; (36) and be ye yourselves like unto men looking for their lord, when he shall return from the marriage feast; that, when he cometh and knocketh, they may straightway open unto him.

This continued marriage feasting in the Word of God while on earth will make us ready to be the bride dressed in fine linen which are the righteous acts of the saints down here on earth:

Revelation 19:7-8  Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and let us give the glory unto him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (8) And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

We are to put on our wedding garment here on earth so we are ready to be bidden to the final part of the wedding called the “marriage supper of the Lamb” in heaven while the year of wrath is occurring on the earth:

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they that are bidden to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are true words of God.

Those who made themselves ready through the marriage feast while watching will be those blessed servants who sit down to be served by Jesus at His marriage supper:

Luke 12:37-38 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and shall come and serve them. (38) And if he shall come in the second watch, and if in the third, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

[Moby]

1 hour ago, JohnR7 said:

A remnant will return to repopulate the land. God always uses a remnant  to repopulate the earth. The rest will stay scattered to the world.  It is very unusual that there are even any "Jewish" people left to return to Israel. They have maintained their identity for almost 2,000 years. 

God is not willing that any should perish. He has provided for ALL to be saved, but people still have choice to decide for themselves. We can choose life or death, blessing or curse, sickness or health. The choices in life are ours. We need to choose life so we can live. 

Just as the OT was only ever written to the children of God under the old covenant. Likewise the NT was written only to those Father draws to His Son under the new covenant:

2 Peter 1:1  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.

Peter used the word “us” in 2 Peter 1:1 to refer to himself along with any Christians who “obtained like precious faith” in Jesus Christ as our savior. Toward the end of his letter, Peter used the word “us-ward” to again include himself with fellow Christians warning that God was longsuffering with us willing that none of us should perish but come to repentance:

2 Peter 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The word “repentance” means to change our mind. When we are born from above as babes in Christ we have a very ignorant mind to what the scriptures teach. Therefore we must long for the milk of the Word to grow in our salvation:

1 Peter 2:1-2 Putting away therefore all wickedness, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, (2) as newborn babes, long for the spiritual milk which is without guile, that ye may grow thereby unto salvation;

We must hunger and thirst for our savior’s righteousness drinking up His promises being filled with Him:

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

As we learn our Father’s promises we must then continually exercise them in faith cleansing ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of Father:

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

This brings godly sorrow unto repentance of all sin:

2 Corinthians 7:8-10 For though I made you sorry with my epistle, I do not regret it: though I did regret it (for I see that that epistle made you sorry, though but for a season), (9) I now rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye were made sorry unto repentance; for ye were made sorry after a godly sort, that ye might suffer loss by us in nothing. (10) For godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation, a repentance which bringeth no regret: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Unfortunately many Christians are content to remain babes and become dull of hearing the deeper truths of righteousness required to become fullgrown men of God:

Hebrews 5:11-14 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing. (12) For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food. (13) For every one that partaketh of milk is without experience of the word of righteousness; for he is a babe. (14) But solid food is for fullgrown men, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.

Those Christians who truly strive for His righteousness are purifying their souls in obedience to our Father’s truth in His Word learning to fervently love the brethren:

1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently:

Peter called this the end of our salvation even the salvation of our souls. This comes through manifold trials from our Father that helps us to learn obedient repentance deep within our soul through continued faith in Him:

1 Peter 1:6-9 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials, (7) that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ: (8) whom not having seen ye love; on whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice greatly with joy unspeakable and full of glory: (9) receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Paul, Peter, and James all agree that we as “brethren” must not “err from these truths” but if we do and another brother warns us of “the error of our way” that we must repent or we will experience the death of our soul:

James 5:19-20  Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;  (20)  Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Unlike our body, our soul can only ever experience a spiritual death:

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The soul who becomes born again from a life dead in sin but then chooses to not to repent of hidden sin will spiritually die again and become “trees without fruit” who are “twice dead” and reserved for darkness of hell:

Jude 1:12-13 These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast with you, that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; (13) wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved for ever.

As Christians, we are likened to trees who God expects to mature and bear the good fruit of Christ:

Matthew 7:17-23 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. (19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (20) Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. (22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus used many parables to prove to us as Christians that we must bear His fruit. In John chapter 15, He compares Himself to a Vine that only the saved become the branches growing on Him but His Father will cut us right back off and burn us in the fires of hell for not producing Jesus’ fruit which is the will of our Father:

John 15:1-6  I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.  (2)  Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.  (3)  Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.  (4)  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.  (5)  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.  (6)  If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Paul also made it very clear that we as wild olive branches could be cut back off the one olive tree if we get high minded or do not continue in the goodness of our new covenant:

Romans 11:20-22  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:  (21)  For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.  (22)  Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Paul warned the Roman church and by extension us that if we do not put to death the deeds of our body we shall die a spiritual death:

Romans 8:12-14  Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.  (13)  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.  (14)  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Living after our flesh defiles our temple where the Spirit of God dwells and will cause our Father to destroy us:

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Living after our flesh is pursuing the lust of our flesh, the lust of our eyes, and having pride in our life which are the sins of the world:

1 John 2:15-17 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Jesus taught the disciples that it would be better for them as believers to remove any part of their physical bodies that cause them to sin rather than to be cast into hell with all their body parts:

Matthew 18:8-9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. (9) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

For our God is no respecter of persons whether Christian or not for He will render to every man according to his deeds. Eternal life to those who obey the truth or hell for those who obey unrighteousness:

Romans 2:6-11 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: (7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: (8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, (9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; (10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: (11) For there is no respect of persons with God.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Moby

[Moby]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Moby said: Father clearly chooses who will be part of the elect as Jesus makes very clear here:

No he doesn't, that is against God's NATURE..........I really do not even get people who come with that.

John 17:9 & 12  I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine: (12)  While I was with them, I kept them in thy name which thou hast given me: and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

The ones who are given him are THOSE THAT LIVE BY FAITH..........By their own choosing, something you seem to miss out on via its understanding. 

Many are called such as Judas Iscariot but he was clearly not part of the elect(chosen):

Matthew 22:14  For many are called, but few chosen(elect).

Everyone is called, the reason few are CHOSEN is because the refuse to ACCEPT God by Faith. Its a REQUIREMENT. Abraham was justified because he BELIEVED God, its seems you just can't grasp that concept brother. It is a requirement and without that requirement you can't be CHOSEN. But its up to us whether we BELIEVE or not.

Matthew 22:14  For many are called, but few chosen(elect).

Paul is simply proving what Jesus taught many times that there is an elect chosen by God from the foundation of the world:

And it escapes you that he means because they chose to not ACCEPT Jesus by FAITH as the reason they are not chosen. You actually think they are not CHOSEN because God just willy nilly decides whom will be saved and whom will not. That is not even a rational thought process brother.

Ephesians 1:3-4  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ:  (4)  even as he(Father) chose(elect) us in him(Jesus) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:

But there are a lot of false teachers who are more than willing to go beyond what is written as they are puffed up:

1 Corinthians 4:6  Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other.

There are a lot of people who profess understanding but have very little, I am afraid.

Just as the OT was only ever written to the children of God under the old covenant. Likewise the NT was written only to those Father draws to His Son under the new covenant:

2 Peter 1:1  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.

Peter used the word “us” in 2 Peter 1:1 to refer to himself along with any Christians who “obtained like precious faith” in Jesus Christ as our savior. Toward the end of his letter, Peter used the word “us-ward” to again include himself with fellow Christians warning that God was longsuffering with us willing that none of us should perish but come to repentance:

2 Peter 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The word “repentance” means to change our mind. When we are born from above as babes in Christ we have a very ignorant mind to what the scriptures teach. Therefore we must long for the milk of the Word to grow in our salvation:

1 Peter 2:1-2 Putting away therefore all wickedness, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, (2) as newborn babes, long for the spiritual milk which is without guile, that ye may grow thereby unto salvation;

We must hunger and thirst for our savior’s righteousness drinking up His promises being filled with Him:

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

As we learn our Father’s promises we must then continually exercise them in faith cleansing ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of Father:

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

This brings godly sorrow unto repentance of all sin:

2 Corinthians 7:8-10 For though I made you sorry with my epistle, I do not regret it: though I did regret it (for I see that that epistle made you sorry, though but for a season), (9) I now rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye were made sorry unto repentance; for ye were made sorry after a godly sort, that ye might suffer loss by us in nothing. (10) For godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation, a repentance which bringeth no regret: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Unfortunately many Christians are content to remain babes and become dull of hearing the deeper truths of righteousness required to become fullgrown men of God:

Hebrews 5:11-14 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard of interpretation, seeing ye are become dull of hearing. (12) For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food. (13) For every one that partaketh of milk is without experience of the word of righteousness; for he is a babe. (14) But solid food is for fullgrown men, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil.

Those Christians who truly strive for His righteousness are purifying their souls in obedience to our Father’s truth in His Word learning to fervently love the brethren:

1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently:

Peter called this the end of our salvation even the salvation of our souls. This comes through manifold trials from our Father that helps us to learn obedient repentance deep within our soul through continued faith in Him:

1 Peter 1:6-9 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials, (7) that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ: (8) whom not having seen ye love; on whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice greatly with joy unspeakable and full of glory: (9) receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Paul, Peter, and James all agree that we as “brethren” must not “err from these truths” but if we do and another brother warns us of “the error of our way” that we must repent or we will experience the death of our soul:

James 5:19-20  Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;  (20)  Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Unlike our body, our soul can only ever experience a spiritual death:

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The soul who becomes born again from a life dead in sin but then chooses to not to repent of hidden sin will spiritually die again and become “trees without fruit” who are “twice dead” and reserved for darkness of hell:

Jude 1:12-13 These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast with you, that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; (13) wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved for ever.

As Christians, we are likened to trees who God expects to mature and bear the good fruit of Christ:

Matthew 7:17-23 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. (19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (20) Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. (22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? (23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus used many parables to prove to us as Christians that we must bear His fruit. In John chapter 15, He compares Himself to a Vine that only the saved become the branches growing on Him but His Father will cut us right back off and burn us in the fires of hell for not producing Jesus’ fruit which is the will of our Father:

John 15:1-6  I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.  (2)  Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.  (3)  Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.  (4)  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.  (5)  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.  (6)  If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Paul also made it very clear that we as wild olive branches could be cut back off the one olive tree if we get high minded or do not continue in the goodness of our new covenant:

Romans 11:20-22  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:  (21)  For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.  (22)  Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Paul warned the Roman church and by extension us that if we do not put to death the deeds of our body we shall die a spiritual death:

Romans 8:12-14  Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.  (13)  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.  (14)  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Living after our flesh defiles our temple where the Spirit of God dwells and will cause our Father to destroy us:

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Living after our flesh is pursuing the lust of our flesh, the lust of our eyes, and having pride in our life which are the sins of the world:

1 John 2:15-17 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (17) And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Jesus taught the disciples that it would be better for them as believers to remove any part of their physical bodies that cause them to sin rather than to be cast into hell with all their body parts:

Matthew 18:8-9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. (9) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

For our God is no respecter of persons whether Christian or not for He will render to every man according to his deeds. Eternal life to those who obey the truth or hell for those who obey unrighteousness:

Romans 2:6-11 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: (7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: (8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, (9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; (10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: (11) For there is no respect of persons with God.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Moby

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Moby said:

Just as the OT was only ever written to the children of God under the old covenant. Likewise the NT was written only to those Father draws to His Son under the new covenant:

 

More hyper calvinism rederich. Clearly Peter 3:9 tells us God does not want anyone to perish: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance".  Everyone is written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world. "The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book." (Exodus 32 32) We know from Moses that sinners are blotted out. John tells us overcomers will never be blotted out: "he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father" "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" (Deuteronomy 39:9)

[Moby]

3 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

 

More hyper calvinism rederich. Clearly Peter 3:9 tells us God does not want anyone to perish: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance".  Everyone is written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world. "The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book." (Exodus 32 32) We know from Moses that sinners are blotted out. John tells us overcomers will never be blotted out: "he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father" "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" (Deuteronomy 39:9)

There are fifteen scriptures where the “book of life” and the names written within are mentioned or eluded to in the Bible.

There are three groups of people that are established by examining these scriptures.

The first group are those who were never written into the book of life from the foundation of the world:

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.

The second group are those who were written into the book of life from the foundation of the world but their names have been or will be blotted out:

Exodus 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin – ; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. (33) And Jehovah said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Deuteronomy 9:13-14 Furthermore Jehovah spake unto me, saying, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: (14) let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven; and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they.

Deuteronomy 29:20 Jehovah will not pardon him, but then the anger of Jehovah and his jealousy will smoke against that man, and all the curse that is written in this book shall lie upon him, and Jehovah will blot out his name from under heaven.

Psalms 9:5 Thou hast rebuked the nations, thou hast destroyed the wicked; Thou hast blotted out their name for ever and ever

Psalms 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of life, And not be written with the righteous.

Psalms 109:13 Let his posterity be cut off; In the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Revelation 22:19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the book of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

These passages can apply to both those who were never written in the book of life as well as those blotted out:

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

The third group are those who were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world and their names have remained:

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Philippians 4:3 Yea, I beseech thee also, true yokefellow, help these women, for they labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow-workers, whose names are in the book of life.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 21:27 and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Now let’s further examine why some believers will have their part in the book of life taken away by God:

Revelation 22:19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the book of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

Only a Christian has his or her name in the book of life. The fact that God promises to take away a Christian’s part in the book of life for taking away from the words of His book proves unconditional eternal security is a lie:

Matthew 7:21-23  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.  (22)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?  (23)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Some try to say Revelation 22:19 only applies to the book of Revelation but the phrase “the book of this prophecy” is clearly speaking of all of Father’s books combined into one Book of prophecy spoken through many men being moved by God’s Holy Spirit:

2 Peter 1:19-21  And we have the word of prophecy made more sure; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day-star arise in your hearts:  (20)  knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.  (21)  For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit.

Notice Revelation 22:19 does not say “to take away the words” but it says “to take away from the words” of Father’s book which is to strip away the meaning of His Words:

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.

To be justified in our words is to speak as an oracle of God:

1 Peter 4:11 if any man speaketh, speaking as it were oracles of God; if any man ministereth, ministering as of the strength which God supplieth: that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, whose is the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

But Paul warned us that soon after his departing, 1900 years ago, there would be men from among the church speaking perverse things to draw disciples unto themselves thus taking away from the truth of Father’s book:

Acts 20:29-30 I know that after my departing grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock; (30) and from among your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.

Galatians 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; (7) which is not another gospel: only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.

Paul was moved of the Holy Spirit to warn Timothy that the perversion of the gospel would be so corrupt by our day that most of the churches would look like this:

2 Timothy 3:1-7 But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. (2) For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, (3) without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, (4) traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; (5) holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof: from these also turn away. (6) For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women(churches) laden with sins, led away by divers lusts, (7) ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Coming to the knowledge of the truth is to put on Jesus works as fine linen that represents the righteous acts of saints:

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Revelation 19:8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Jesus counsels us as His church to clothe ourselves with this fine linen as white garments that the shame of our nakedness be not made manifest or He will spew us out of His mouth:

Revelation 3:14-19 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God: (15) I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. (16) So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth. (17) Because thou sayest, I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art the wretched one and miserable and poor and blind and naked: (18) I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou mayest become rich; and white garments, that thou mayest clothe thyself, and that the shame of thy nakedness be not made manifest; and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see. (19) As many as I love, I reprove and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

When the Spirit speaks to one church He is speaking to all churches from then till today for every scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: (17) that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.

We are instructed to put on the white garments of Christ which are the works of Christ perfected in us but if we defile that garment we will be blotted out of the book of life:

Revelation 3:1-6 And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and thou art dead. (2) Be thou watchful, and establish the things that remain, which were ready to die: for I have found no works of thine perfected before my God. (3) Remember therefore how thou hast received and didst hear; and keep it, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. (4) But thou hast a few names in Sardis that did not defile their garments: and they shall walk with me in white; for they are worthy. (5) He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (6) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.

Jesus makes it very clear both in Revelation and Matthew that many Christians are invited to walk with Him in white at His wedding but only those that have both put on the wedding garment and did not defile their garments will be chosen to stay:

Matthew 22:11-14 But when the king came in to behold the guests, he saw there a man who had not on a wedding-garment: (12) and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding-garment? And he was speechless. (13) Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. (14) For many are called, but few chosen.

We are first saved by grace through faith as a babe in Christ and then called into this holy purpose which is putting on Jesus’ good works as a  white garment:

Ephesians 2:8-10 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; (9) not of works, that no man should glory. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.

2 Timothy 1:8-9 Be not ashamed therefore of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but suffer hardship with the gospel according to the power of God; (9) who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,

The good works of Christ are to walk in the promises of God cleansing ourselves of all defilement of flesh and spirit perfecting holiness:

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

This is working out our own salvation with fear and trembling which will cause us to be holy and without blemish before him in love:

Ephesians 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:

Philippians 2:12-16 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; (13) for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure. (14) Do all things without murmurings and questionings: (15) that ye may become blameless and harmless, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom ye are seen as lights in the world, (16) holding forth the word of life; that I may have whereof to glory in the day of Christ, that I did not run in vain neither labor in vain.

This will ensure we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as full grown sons of God who will not be blotted out of the book of life:

2 Peter 3:14-18 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for these things, give diligence that ye may be found in peace, without spot and blameless in his sight. (15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; (16) as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (17) Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness. (18) But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and for ever. Amen.

[JohnR7]

2 hours ago, Moby said:

Paul, Peter, and James all agree that we as “brethren” must not “err from these truths” but if we do and another brother warns us of “the error of our way” that we must repent or we will experience the death of our soul

The body dies, or sleeps, not the soul. Paul tells us: "That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. (1 Corinthians 11:30) I have been dead and God has raised me up from the dead many times. Then He pretty much tells me to repent to turn away from transgression so we do not have to go through that all over again.  I was on a respirator for a week 15 years ago when my lungs filled up with fluids. The doctors did not know what to expect when I regained consciousness. Yet here I am 15 years later and I am still alive.  

[JohnR7]

14 minutes ago, Moby said:

The first group are those who were never written into the book of life from the foundation of the world:

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

This is why we have the KJV so we do not have to worry about this sort of translation error. You have to look at what comes first in the Bible. That determines what follows. In this case we have already been told that names are not written in the Book of Life because they have been blotted out. 

 

18 minutes ago, Moby said:

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition.

I have seen the bottomless pit. Not in the Spiritual but in a physical way. This is a volcano, we are told there will be an earthquake so that there is a physical sign to show something is going on in the spiritual realm. 

[Moby]

5 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

The body dies, or sleeps, not the soul. Paul tells us: "That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. (1 Corinthians 11:30) I have been dead and God has raised me up from the dead many times. Then He pretty much tells me to repent to turn away from transgression so we do not have to go through that all over again.  I was on a respirator for a week 15 years ago when my lungs filled up with fluids. The doctors did not know what to expect when I regained consciousness. Yet here I am 15 years later and I am still alive.  

James is referring to the spiritual death of the soul which is to be destroyed by our Father in hell as these 3 passages clearly prove when studied together:

James 5:19-20  My brethren, if any among you err from the truth, and one convert him;  (20)  let him know, that he who converteth a sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall cover a multitude of sins.

Matthew 10:28  And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17  Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?  (17)  If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are ye.

[JohnR7]

23 minutes ago, Moby said:

Notice Revelation 22:19 does not say “to take away the words” but it says “to take away from the words” of Father’s book which is to strip away the meaning of His Words:

This is something we can look forward to in the Kingdom age. We will all use God's dictionary and we will know exactly what the words mean. Man has hijacked the dictionary and they want to twist and distort the meaning of the words. This is what it means to have a reprobate mind.