The last 8 years will commence sooner than most Christians think!

[Moby]

Please don't be distracted by the many hoaxes as the true destruction is coming very shortly as they use Australia as a test piece at this very moment:

https://www.rt.com/news/502720-australia-no-travel-vaccine-budget/

It is looking very likely that by the fall of next year the UN will commence the last 8 years:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

[R. Hartono]

8 hours ago, Moby said:

 

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

Wise virgins are taken to the Feast of the Lamb but the foolish ones were left behind n screamed "Lord Loord" this shows what happened be4 the great Tribulation.

[JohnR7]

19 hours ago, Moby said:

It is looking very likely that by the fall of next year the UN will commence the last 8 years:

All those scriptures and yet you missed the most important one. "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about them: “Behold, the Lord is coming with myriads of His holy ones to execute judgment on everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of every ungodly act of wickedness and every harsh word spoken against Him by ungodly sinners.” (Jude 1:14,15) Enoch around 4,000 years ago saw what was coming. Because he was a part of that gathering. Jesus will bring Enoch with Him when He returns to the earth. So if the rapture were tomorrow or 4,000 years from now we still need to yield to God to allow the Holy Spirit to prepare us. 

[Moby]

11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Wise virgins are taken to the Feast of the Lamb but the foolish ones were left behind n screamed "Lord Loord" this shows what happened be4 the great Tribulation.

Sorry bro but Wise virgins will not be taken until AFTER the last 7 years called the marriage feast on earth as Jesus' parable clearly teaches:

Many Christians say the Jewish wedding ceremony proves a pretrib rapture but Jesus clearly proves His Father’s wedding for Him begins with the marriage feast here on earth.

Our Father sent His servants to invite the OT Jews to the marriage feast first. Many did not come to this earthly marriage feast but chose to kill some of His servants and so He destroyed those murderers and burned their city in 70 AD:

Matthew 22:1-7 And Jesus answered and spake again in parables unto them, saying, (2) The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a certain king, who made a marriage feast for his son, (3) and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the marriage feast: and they would not come. (4) Again he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them that are bidden, Behold, I have made ready my dinner; my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come to the marriage feast. (5) But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his merchandise; (6) and the rest laid hold on his servants, and treated them shamefully, and killed them. (7) But the king was wroth; and he sent his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned their city.

Since that time our Father has been inviting both Jews and Gentiles to this same marriage feast on earth until it is full of all the guests who were called:

Matthew 22:8-14 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they that were bidden were not worthy. (9) Go ye therefore unto the partings of the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage feast. (10) And those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad(Gentiles) and good(Jews): and the wedding was filled with guests.

Some of the guests who are called by our Father to His Son’s marriage feast, on earth, come and partake of the feast but do not allow that Word to manifest as a “wedding garment” so they will be cast out into the outer darkness which is hell:

Matthew 22:11-14  But when the king came in to behold the guests, he saw there a man who had not on a wedding-garment: (12) and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding-garment? And he was speechless. (13) Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. (14) For many are called, but few chosen.

This “wedding garment” is to “put on of the Lord Jesus Christ”, while here on earth, learning to make no provision for our flesh so that our garment is not spotted by the flesh:

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Jude 1:23 and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jesus told us to feast on the Word, that became flesh, while here on earth for it is those who have eternal life and will be raised up at the last day:

John 6:54-58 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (55) For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (56) He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me, and I in him. (57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me. (58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven: not as the fathers ate, and died; he that eateth this bread shall live for ever.

We are to continually allow Jesus to wash us with the Word until we have no spot, wrinkle, or blemish on our garment but are a holy, glorious, sanctified church when He comes to present us to Himself in the clouds where He will take us to our Father in heaven:

Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it; (26) that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, (27) that he might present the church to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Jesus told us to have our loins girded with this wedding garment and our lamp burning from our feasting on His Word while on earth as we look for our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 12:35-36 Let your loins be girded about, and your lamps burning; (36) and be ye yourselves like unto men looking for their lord, when he shall return from the marriage feast; that, when he cometh and knocketh, they may straightway open unto him.

This continued marriage feasting in the Word of God while on earth will make us ready to be the bride dressed in fine linen which are the righteous acts of the saints down here on earth:

Revelation 19:7-8  Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and let us give the glory unto him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (8) And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

We are to put on our wedding garment here on earth so we are ready to be bidden to the final part of the wedding called the “marriage supper of the Lamb” in heaven while the year of wrath is occurring on the earth:

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they that are bidden to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are true words of God.

Those who made themselves ready through the marriage feast while watching will be those blessed servants who sit down to be served by Jesus at His marriage supper:

Luke 12:37-38 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and shall come and serve them. (38) And if he shall come in the second watch, and if in the third, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

Much more truth in this link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

[Moby]

26 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

All those scriptures and yet you missed the most important one. "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about them: “Behold, the Lord is coming with myriads of His holy ones to execute judgment on everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of every ungodly act of wickedness and every harsh word spoken against Him by ungodly sinners.” (Jude 1:14,15) Enoch around 4,000 years ago saw what was coming. Because he was a part of that gathering. Jesus will bring Enoch with Him when He returns to the earth. So if the rapture were tomorrow or 4,000 years from now we still need to yield to God to allow the Holy Spirit to prepare us. 

How did you miss this section below that I just copied out of this link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

 

Within the life of Enoch are prophesies of when Jesus would first come back to come back to rapture His church and to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness:

Jude 1:14-15 And to these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, (15) to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have ungodly wrought, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Enoch being the seventh generation from Adam represents the 7th day when God finished his work and rests the remainder of that day:

Genesis 2:1-4 And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (2) And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (3) And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made.

Peter reminds us not to forget that one day is a thousand years thus the 7 days of creation represent 7 one thousand year millenniums:

2 Peter 3:8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Please notice that our Father called those 7 days of creation the 7 “generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created”:

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

The English word “generations” comes from the Hebrew word “towledah” and means “family history”:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H8435&t=KJV

Our Father was giving us a huge hint that He was going to finish His work and cut it short on the morning of the seventh millennium when He would bring the finished body of His Son home that He calls His “elect”:

Matthew 24:21-22 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be. (22) And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Please notice that it will not be until after the great tribulation that will finish His “Word” which is His “work” in the morning of the 7th millennium which is the time we as the church are presently living:

Romans 9:27-28 And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved: (28) for the Lord will execute his word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short.

2 Thessalonians 2:16-17 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, (17) comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

So now that we have learned that one day can represent both one year, one millennium, and a generation we can conclude that Enoch represents those who will be alive and remain  and raptured up alive AFTER great tribulation:

Genesis 5:21-24 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: (22) and Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: (23) and all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: (24) and Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Enoch living 365 days also represents the year of His redeemed when Jesus first comes back in the clouds to resurrect/rapture His body and then at the end of that same year He comes back to the earth with His army to execute judgment upon all the ungodly:

Jude 1:14-15 And to these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, (15) to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have ungodly wrought, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

[JohnR7]

10 hours ago, Moby said:

Enoch being the seventh generation from Adam represents the 7th day when God finished his work and rests the remainder of that day:

A generation was 1,000 years before Noah's flood. If there is a 7 year tribulation I do not plan to be here. I will be 77 in the year 2029. That is enough for me. I told God once that I would be willing to do the tribulation period if there was something I could do to help people. He said there is nothing I could do and that He does not need me here then. As we get older more and more of our family and friends have gone onto their reward in Heaven and that gets to be more and more of a pull for us to go to be with them. 

[R. Hartono]

14 hours ago, Moby said:

Sorry bro but Wise virgins will not be taken until AFTER the last 7 years called the marriage feast on earth as Jesus' parable clearly teaches:

Many Christians say the Jewish wedding ceremony proves a pretrib rapture but Jesus clearly proves His Father’s wedding for Him begins with the marriage feast here on earth.

Our Father sent His servants to invite the OT Jews to the marriage feast first. Many did not come to this earthly marriage feast but chose to kill some of His servants and so He destroyed those murderers and burned their city in 70 AD:

Matthew 22:1-7 And Jesus answered and spake again in parables unto them, saying, (2) The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a certain king, who made a marriage feast for his son, (3) and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the marriage feast: and they would not come. (4) Again he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them that are bidden, Behold, I have made ready my dinner; my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come to the marriage feast. (5) But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his merchandise; (6) and the rest laid hold on his servants, and treated them shamefully, and killed them. (7) But the king was wroth; and he sent his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned their city.

Since that time our Father has been inviting both Jews and Gentiles to this same marriage feast on earth until it is full of all the guests who were called:

Matthew 22:8-14 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they that were bidden were not worthy. (9) Go ye therefore unto the partings of the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage feast. (10) And those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad(Gentiles) and good(Jews): and the wedding was filled with guests.

Some of the guests who are called by our Father to His Son’s marriage feast, on earth, come and partake of the feast but do not allow that Word to manifest as a “wedding garment” so they will be cast out into the outer darkness which is hell:

Matthew 22:11-14  But when the king came in to behold the guests, he saw there a man who had not on a wedding-garment: (12) and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding-garment? And he was speechless. (13) Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. (14) For many are called, but few chosen.

This “wedding garment” is to “put on of the Lord Jesus Christ”, while here on earth, learning to make no provision for our flesh so that our garment is not spotted by the flesh:

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Jude 1:23 and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jesus told us to feast on the Word, that became flesh, while here on earth for it is those who have eternal life and will be raised up at the last day:

John 6:54-58 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (55) For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (56) He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me, and I in him. (57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me. (58) This is the bread which came down out of heaven: not as the fathers ate, and died; he that eateth this bread shall live for ever.

We are to continually allow Jesus to wash us with the Word until we have no spot, wrinkle, or blemish on our garment but are a holy, glorious, sanctified church when He comes to present us to Himself in the clouds where He will take us to our Father in heaven:

Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself up for it; (26) that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, (27) that he might present the church to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Jesus told us to have our loins girded with this wedding garment and our lamp burning from our feasting on His Word while on earth as we look for our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 12:35-36 Let your loins be girded about, and your lamps burning; (36) and be ye yourselves like unto men looking for their lord, when he shall return from the marriage feast; that, when he cometh and knocketh, they may straightway open unto him.

This continued marriage feasting in the Word of God while on earth will make us ready to be the bride dressed in fine linen which are the righteous acts of the saints down here on earth:

Revelation 19:7-8  Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and let us give the glory unto him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (8) And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

We are to put on our wedding garment here on earth so we are ready to be bidden to the final part of the wedding called the “marriage supper of the Lamb” in heaven while the year of wrath is occurring on the earth:

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they that are bidden to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are true words of God.

Those who made themselves ready through the marriage feast while watching will be those blessed servants who sit down to be served by Jesus at His marriage supper:

Luke 12:37-38 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and shall come and serve them. (38) And if he shall come in the second watch, and if in the third, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

Much more truth in this link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

The marriage of the Lamb takes place in heaven in Revelation 19 be4 Jesus returns to Armageddon battle to fight antichrist n the armies of the world, ending the sorrow of great tribulation n begin Jesus Millennium from Jerusalem.

Edited October 9, 2020 by R. Hartono

[R. Hartono]

1 minute ago, JohnR7 said:

I told God once that I would be willing to do the tribulation period if there was something I could do to help people. He said there is nothing I could do and that He does not need me here then. As we get older more and more of our family and friends have gone onto their reward in Heaven and that gets to be more and more of a pull for us to go to be with them. 

In the great tribulation God will send the 2 Witnesses (Moses n Eljah) n the 144000 Hebrew  to replace the raptured church, you and the saints will not be here anyway.

The world will somehow return to the Old Testament style where God of old Yah will fiercefully destroy unbelievers thru the 2 Witnesses n horrible calamities.

[Uri]

I am so confused.

This is clear as mud, and every single conversation remotely similar to this is.

Billy Graham, C.S. Lewis, Ravi Zacharias, and John MacArthur went into a restaurant. They agreed to disagree & split the bill.

(joke)

 

There are many that believe we are in Christ's millenial reign now, that the abomination that causes desolation already occurred, that "the twinkling of an eye" can be personal, that Christians don't recognize many things because they are born into them, that prophecies explained were either figurative or spiritual, still holding truth.

7 days = 7,000 years, says Peter. 

In 6 days, creation.

The earth is round, but spherical?       The firmament are pillars  but suspended by nothing. 

All this while exclaiming God is not the author of confusion, but will allow a great delusion...

 

Ok, things suck, obviously getting worse, clearly. But not if you went through the dark ages, black plague, the killing fields, the Gulags, the Nazi smokestacks, 500AD, 70AD, the Great Depression, wiped out by the yellow river, OR yellow fever or agent orange, the GrandSolar Minimum of 1800's, shellshocked in WW1, the Spanish Flu, the flood, got eaten by a nephelim, sat at the riverbank in Nagasaki, burned to death by wildfires, caked in Mt. Vesuvius, turned to your left and saw a plane enter your building, are a Ugandan experiment of Idi Amin, were swept away by a tsunami, sucked up by a tornado, blown away by a hurricane, fell into a wood chipper, or wasted away to cancer.

Mark of the beast already happened unseen, or coming with the vaccine bio-ID.

There are 2 things I can dig.

1. Seek the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind.

2. Love thy neighbor.

 

Everything else regarding prophetic interpretation has been studied to death by the greatest minds in history and don't agree.

That is what I see

[JohnR7]

46 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

The world will somehow return to the Old Testament style

Some of that teaching is already on YouTube. During the 1,000 year reign of Christ education will be a lot different then what it is now.