My favorit Prophecy!!!

August 8, 2005

Let me help you out of your confusion. The Church is Israel. The King of Israel, Christ is the most devout Jew who ever lived. Then there is Peter and Andrew and James and John and Philip and Bartholomew and Thomas and Matthew and James and Lebbaeus and Simon and Paul. They are all devout Jews of the Kingdom of Israel who are the beginning of the Church who will be sitting on twelve thrones in the Kingdom of God.
You are trying to combine Judaism and Christianity into a single religion. Their messiah is not coming to save them. He already came and they crucified Him and are still rejecting Him to this day. You can pray for them and winess to them but they are still only going to come out one at a time.

No, you are the one who is confused. The Church is not Israel. You are speaking of a heresy called "Replacement Theology." It is false doctrine that teaches that God has rejected the Jewish people and replaced them with a new group of people called the Church. The Bible nowhere calls the Church, "Israel." Jesus is a Jew, and He is the King of the Jews, and He will reign from Jerusalem on the throne of His Father David. They may have rejected Him, but He has not rejected them. I am sorry that you have chosen to believe an anti-Semitic doctrine such as what you are promoting above. You need to read your Bible and forget the nonsense you are promoting here.

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What I would Like to know is. Are you a Jew who never really converted to Christianity or are you a Christian converting to Judaism? You just can

August 9, 2005

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nebula · August 9, 2005

Luke 19

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: "A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, and said to them, 'Do business till I come.' 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, 'We will not have this man to reign over us.' 15 And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, 'Master, your mina has earned ten minas.' 17 And he said to him, 'Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.' 18 And the second came, saying, 'Master, your mina has earned five minas.' 19 Likewise he said to him, 'You also be over five cities.' 20 Then another came, saying, 'Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.' 22 And he said to him, 'Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?' 24 And he said to those who stood by, 'Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.' 25 (But they said to him, 'Master, he has ten minas.') 26 For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.' "

I find it totally discusting that you treat this as a Jew vs. Gentile passage.

Notice the parts I bolded?

To interpret the parable, you need to consider why He spoke the parable. In those days, the people believed the Messiah would bring them physical salvation - that is, they were looking for what we look for with His second coming. They didn't understand He had to first be "the suffering servant."

Also, the enemies whom He slays, if you note, are from the "far country" the king went to. Is this not the whole world?

nebula · August 9, 2005

nebula · August 9, 2005

Revelation 7

4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed: 5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed; 6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed; 7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed; 8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

The 144,000 are of the tribes of Israel.

The great multitude is of the Gentiles.

See?

The Church is not Israel!!!!

Remnantrob · August 9, 2005

The 144,000 are of the tribes of Israel.

The great multitude is of the Gentiles.

See?

The Church is not Israel!!!!

It's all about interpretation. JMOP

nebula · August 9, 2005

"Tribe of Israel" means tribe of Israel.

The Tribe of Judah are descended from Judah son of Jacob (Israel). The Tribe of Reuban are descended from Reuban son of Israel. The Tribe of Gad are the descendants of Gad son of Israel. . . .

Remnantrob · August 9, 2005

Like I said b4, all a matter of interpretation. I for one believe God's people are God's people. Maybe a thread should be started on the study of that 144,000.

August 9, 2005

The 144,000 are of the tribes of Israel.

The great multitude is of the Gentiles.

See?

The Church is not Israel!!!!

It's all about interpretation. JMOP

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No its not about interpretation. It is about believing what the Bible says. When God is talking about Israel, he is not talking about Gentiles. It may offend Christian pride to admit that, but it is the truth. The Church and Israel are two different entities in Scripture.

Furthermore I bet I can find all kinds of things God says about Israel that folks like you would not want to take unto yourselves. It seems in the minds of some, that whenever God is critical of Israel, it pertains to the Jews, but when God is favorable to Israel, suddenly Christians become "Israel."

It has nothing to do with anything that resembles sound, biblical interpretation, but a very selective, and inconsistent approach to Scripture that seeks to interpret "Israel" as the Church, but only when it is favorable to do so.

Remnantrob · August 9, 2005

No its not about interpretation. It is about believing what the Bible says. When God is talking about Israel, he is not talking about Gentiles. It may offend Christian pride to admit that, but it is the truth. The Church and Israel are two different entities in Scripture.

Furthermore I bet I can find all kinds of things God says about Israel that folks like you would not want to take unto yourselves. It seems in the minds of some, that whenever God is critical of Israel, it pertains to the Jews, but when God is favorable to Israel, suddenly Christians become "Israel."

It has nothing to do with anything that resembles sound, biblical interpretation, but a very selective, and inconsistent approach to Scripture that seeks to interpret "Israel" as the Church, but only when it is favorable to do so.

You're the scholar and I'm just a seeker so stick to you're guns. There isn't gonna be a jew section and "body of Christ" section in heaven or earth. God's people are just that. The promise of a redeemer was made before any jew or gentile existed so I'm gonna continue to claim promises made to Israel because that's what the word tells me to do. And as soon as you/someone gets the 144,000 thread going, I'll be more than happy to address why I believe it's not literal Israel.