The Bible and the Ancient Earth

[Michael37]

17 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

God disagrees.  Adam was never immortal, something God mentions in Genesis:

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

We who are heirs of eternal life will continually eat of the Tree of Life in Heaven.

The point is that Adam and Eve originally had access to the Tree of Life and thus were not in danger of physically or spiritually dying. The punishment for their sin was removal of that access, therefore assigning them to physical death down the track. 

[The Barbarian]

God disagrees.  Adam was never immortal, something God mentions in Genesis:

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

We who are heirs of eternal life will continually eat of the Tree of Life in Heaven.

That came later; that's what Jesus was here for.   His death and resurrection saved us.

4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The point is that Adam and Eve originally had access to the Tree of Life and thus were not in danger of physically or spiritually dying.

That's not what God said.   He said that if Adam ate from the tree, it would make him live forever.

But as God told Adam earlier, if he disobeyed, he'd die spiritually regardless.   Remember, God told him he'd die the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  Adam eats, but lives on physically for many years thereafter.

If we can believe God, Adam was never immortal.

 

 

 

[JohnR7]

On 10/25/2020 at 7:25 PM, Mantis said:

End times locust will probably come from these holes haha

Locust can be eaten. It is a source of food in Asia. I have seen them sell bugs for food in the open markets. 

[JohnR7]

On 1/1/2021 at 8:52 PM, The Barbarian said:

Adam eats, but lives on physically for many years thereafter.

897 years after he fell into sin. He was placed in Eden in 4004 BC. Jesus was born in 4 BC. Jesus died 33 years later so they figure Adam fell into sin 33 years after God put him in Eden to tend the garden. 

[The Barbarian]

On 4/30/2021 at 10:28 PM, JohnR7 said:

897 years after he fell into sin. He was placed in Eden in 4004 BC. Jesus was born in 4 BC. Jesus died 33 years later so they figure Adam fell into sin 33 years after God put him in Eden to tend the garden. 

That's not what the Bible says, but some people have added that idea.   I'd rather read it as it is.

 

[The Barbarian]

On 1/1/2021 at 3:27 PM, Michael37 said:

The point is that Adam and Eve originally had access to the Tree of Life and thus were not in danger of physically or spiritually dying. The punishment for their sin was removal of that access, therefore assigning them to physical death down the track. 

That's a new idea.   But the Bible doesn't support that.  In fact, God says that all Adam had to do was eat from the tree of life, and he'd live forever.   No mention of multiple meals.   Just one.

 

[Michael37]

24 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

That's a new idea.   But the Bible doesn't support that.  In fact, God says that all Adam had to do was eat from the tree of life, and he'd live forever.   No mention of multiple meals.   Just one.

 

New to you.

I believe as of right we can continually partake of the Tree of Life and its twelve types of fruit, as follows:

Speaking of wisdom:

Pro 3:18  She (wisdom) is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retains her.

Mentioned in Revelation:

Rev 22:2  In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Rev 22:14  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

ESV Rev 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

[The Barbarian]

That's a new idea.   But the Bible doesn't support that.  In fact, God says that all Adam had to do was eat from the tree of life, and he'd live forever.   No mention of multiple meals.   Just one.

21 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

New to you.

New addition to scripture.   We can chose to believe all sorts of things, but we should remain grounded in what scripture actually says.   And yes, there are certainly figurative things in scripture, particularly in Genesis 1-3, but there's really no way to shoehorn that in.

22 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

 She (wisdom) is a tree of life

But not the tree of life?   There's one of your figurative verses, now.

[JohnR7]

6 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

That's not what the Bible says, but some people have added that idea.   I'd rather read it as it is.

 

I read all of the Bible and that includes the genealogies. I do not skip over them the way most people do. The math is fairly easy from Adam to Abraham. It is from Abraham to David that the genealogies get complicated. 

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by JohnR7