Corona Virus Warning

[Guest]

There's a concerted campaign going on to assure the public that the Corona Virus Vaccine does not contain aborted fetal tissues.  Well this is both true and false.  The development of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine did involve the HEK 293 cell line, which was grown from a kidney derived from an aborted fetus.  The cell line has been widely used in biological and medical inquiry.

As reported by Wesley Smith in Life News, the new vaccine, developed by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE, was created without the use of fetal cells. The pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute, in a comparison of vaccines in development, deemed the Pfizer vaccine “ethically uncontroversial.”

Five Vaccines: Science Magazine

Do you trust a vaccine made in China?  And then there's cloning.

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4 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

Yes. That's a good summary of most of the paranoid deep-state conspiracy theories, fake news, dis- and mis-information and thoroughly debunked facts promoted by QAnon (and others).

I don't believe in Qanon that is other ones beleif not mine.

  what I wrote has nothing to do about Qanon but everything to do about the vaccines.

Have you ever even heard of vitulogist Luc Montignet?

why don't you put your money where your mouth is and  debunk every statement I made

If you can't, then you should not try to debase other people who give proof of articles and other info research  that they have almost painstakingly taken the time to research  on the topic and to share it with  great concern towards  others in regards to the possibility of its (Vaccines) danger.

 

begin please by finding proof that virologist Luc Montignet, the virologist involved in Identifying HIV is a Liar when he said that Covid-19 is a man made construct virus.

 

If you can't your opinion or criticism is worthless, as worthless as your "Qanon statement ", that you falsely  accuse by implicating and carelessly throwing about upon me to be involved with. Not cool.

If you have PROOF otherwise, then  please , continue debunking these please.

 

 

11 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

Wear a mask stay six feet from others. Forget about being polite. 

I agree with that, I do not deny there is a virus going around, for sure there is one,

French virologist Luc Antoine Montagnier and American physician-scientist Robert Charles Gallo (1937-) are credited with discovering the cause of the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS).

https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)61990-3/fulltext

 

Also it has been said by French virologist Luc Antoine Montagnier this covid-19 has been an human engineered virus as there has been found in the covid-19 virus  segments of HIV in  covid-19 the virus.

"Montagnier argued during a  TV interview with a French TV channel that elements of the HIV-1 retrovirus, which he co-discovered in 1983, can be found in the genome of the new coronavirus. He also said elements of the “malaria germ” – the parasite Plasmodium falciparum – can also be seen in the virus’s genome."

His full quote: “We were not the first since a group of Indian researchers tried to publish a study which showed that the complete genome of this coronavirus [has] sequences of another virus, which is HIV.”

 

The powers that be don't seem to want that known.

On 12/2/2020 at 7:53 AM, Justin Adams said:

Some are worried because it is RNA based and that can possibly lead to edits of DNA. Qantas and other airlines will not allow travel unless folk are vaccinated. There will be a lot of pressure to take this step. It may not be wise.

Not only are they using a new technique Taking a segment RNA from HIV to attach to our DNA without long term safety quarantine of the any  possible detrimental consequences,there are still concerns over transparency and accountability around a coronavirus vaccine."We all want a vaccine, but it should not be at the expense of a lack of transparency and accountability."

 https://www.transparency.org.uk/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-transparency-accountability-clinicial-trials

 

Has anyone researched to see if there exists vaccine injury compensation?

 

 

Please note the highlighted portion.  Basically, under the newly revised Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act), the Secretary of Health and Human Services is providing liability immunity to manufacturers, distributors, program planners (i.e. state or local governments and their employees), qualified persons and their officials, agents and employees (i.e Big Pharma) as well as the United States against any claims of loss relating to the manufacture, distribution, administration or use of medical countermeasures.  In this case, the countermeasures are vaccines for COVID-19.  So basically, thanks to Washington, Big Pharma is exempt from lawsuits that may arise as a result of negative health issues resulting from the use of their COVID-19 vaccines.  If vaccinated persons do sustain serious physical injury or death as a retail of the administration of a COVID-19 vaccine, benefits may be provided by the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program.  The effective time period for this change expires on October 1, 2024. 

 

http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2020/04/vaccine-liability-in-covid-19-era.html

 

 

So What is in  the vaccine? Are they placing anything that can identify if you are vaccinated or not in the covid-19 vaccines?

If so what it it?

 

Here is Bill Gates, Vaccinations, Microchips, And Patent 060606 since 29/04/2020       should we be concerned ?

https://ugolini.co.th/bill-gates-vaccinations-microchips-and-patent-060606-since-29-04-2020/

 

 

I have previously read that there is a patent out from Bill Gates.

Microsoft published a patent for a "cryptocurrency system using body activity data." This patent is filed under the number WO2020060606A1.

will this be in the covid-19 vaccines or one of them as we are now told people will need several vaccine

 

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[NotAllThere]

17 hours ago, 1to3 said:

I agree with that, I do not deny there is a virus going around, for sure there is one,

True.

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French virologist Luc Antoine Montagnier and American physician-scientist Robert Charles Gallo (1937-) are credited with discovering the cause of the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS).

https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)61990-3/fulltext

True, but irrelevant. Unless you're appealing to "truth by authority".

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Also it has been said by French virologist Luc Antoine Montagnier this covid-19 has been an human engineered virus as there has been found in the covid-19 virus  segments of HIV in  covid-19 the virus.

This is also true. Back in early March, I believe he claimed this. It was based on findings in an paper published by an Indian team (IIT Delhi) in a non-peer reviewed web site (bioRxiv preprint repository), that exists to discuss ongoing research. The Indian researchers withdrew their paper after numerous errors in their analysis were pointed out by commenters. This peer reviewed article https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 published March 17th ni Nature, says:

Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.

 

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Not only are they using a new technique Taking a segment RNA from HIV to attach to our DNA without long term safety quarantine of the any  possible detrimental consequences,

 

You imply a lack of rigour, and that long term safety quarantine is needed, but you supply no evidence that this is the case. All medical treatments have side-effects. All may have determinantal consequences. It's about the risk of taking it, against the risk of not. And with vaccines, that means quantifying the risk across the population.

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there are still concerns over transparency and accountability around a coronavirus vaccine."We all want a vaccine, but it should not be at the expense of a lack of transparency and accountability."

 https://www.transparency.org.uk/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-transparency-accountability-clinicial-trials

I entirely agree. 

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Has anyone researched to see if there exists vaccine injury compensation?

 So basically, thanks to Washington, Big Pharma is exempt from lawsuits that may arise as a result of negative health issues resulting from the use of their COVID-19 vaccines.  If vaccinated persons do sustain serious physical injury or death as a retail of the administration of a COVID-19 vaccine, benefits may be provided by the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program.  The effective time period for this change expires on October 1, 2024

This is true. They are exempt. But there are other conclusions to draw from this that don't require a conspiracy. Vaccines in general have been proven over the years to save millions of lives. No one claims that they're 100% safe (though anti-vaxxers claim this is claimed, which is weird). But they are safer, in terms of deaths and severe illness across the population, than not vaccinating. Medical treatment in the US is massively expensive due to the culture of litigation. If pharmaceutical companies (big or little) were to be subject to claims over FDA approved treatments, that have gone through all stages of clinical trials and proven benefits, then the cost of medicine, and specifically vaccines, would be even higher than it is now. Vaccines have to be relatively cheap in order to be able to cover enough of the population to protect those who for whatever reason can not be vaccinated.

Cost/benefit analysis. However, the government has agreed in this instance to deal with any consequent damage of a covid-19 vaccine, given the need for speed.

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So What is in  the vaccine? Are they placing anything that can identify if you are vaccinated or not in the covid-19 vaccines?

No they are not. There is zero evidence of this. Just conclusions drawn from patent applications of devices that may never be built. And even if they are built there's no evidence they'll be used for the purposes suggested by the theorises. So this is conclusion born of little evidence and then speculated on. It's not evidence of anything.

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will this be in the covid-19 vaccines or one of them as we are now told people will need several vaccines ?

No you are not told you will need several vaccines. The Oxford vaccine requires two shots, one a month after the other. The others so far, require one shot. No one to my knowledge has suggested that you need more than one shot. 

So there you. Rebuttal point by point as requested.

 

Oh and Luc Martigne isn't a liar, just mistaken. It's part of science.

 

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11 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

 

Oh and Luc Martigne isn't a liar, just mistaken. It's part of science.

 

Funny how "independent fact checkers"  determined that a Nobel prize winner is not a reliable source of information...

If the one who discovered HIV now claims to have found traces of the same HIV in this new virus, I dont't know why, but I tend to believe him.

Luc Montignier does not stand alone in his belief that is Covid-19 was tweaked in a lab.

Other virologist  like Judy Mikovitz , Huang Yang Ling also back up what Luc Montignier has to say, but  they are being supressed by the powers that be. Also  it was already discovered by Chinese and Indian scientists , this also confirmed  by Luc Montigier, but again suppressed so harshly by the powers that be

What the Professor says is supported by the facts indicating that the virus was designed in the USA by Fauci’s NIAID and engineered and manufactured in China in the Wuhan Viral Laboratory as the evidence is overwhelming that it did, but what was the purpose of the research that was funded there by EcoHealth (linked to WHO and the Gates Foundation) on behalf of Fauci's NIAD and the US Dept of Defense after the gain of function on this type of virus was controlled in the US after Fauci funded research in this area at the Universities of Texas and North Carolina that included funding for the Wuhan Batwoman (Shi Li Zeng) to collect bat viruses. We also need to know what was the involvement of CSIRO where Batman Mr Zang studied bat viruses? Did the Wuhan study have anything to do with the Gates Funded Global Vaccination Initiative (GAVI) in which Fauci and other close to this event are involved? Robert Kennedy explains the sequence of events here and the supporting evidence follows: https://youtu.be/8WJCbCWFBMQ https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985?fbcldi=lwAROiTTfDIT-uxNFPtvQH-xFrF6QaF1hKE1Ey2TPrEi17XfFUIbpUIAosDc https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7 https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/05/03/pravda-us-army-created-covid-19-in-2015-research-proofs-or-debunking-you-pick/ https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/documents/gain-of-function.pdf https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/12/feds-lift-gain-function-research-pause-offer-guidance https://poorrichardsnews.com/what-is-gain-of-function-and-why-did-dhs-shut-down-the-coronavirus-research-dr-shi-zhengli/ https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/12/feds-lift-gain-function-research-pause-offer-guidance https://youtu.be/WeD0qhR5XOY https://youtu.be/uZUJhKUbd0k https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985?fbcldi=lwAROiTTfDIT-uxNFPtvQH-xFrF6QaF1hKE1Ey2TPrEi17XfFUIbpUIAosDc https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7 https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/05/03/pravda-us-army-created-covid-19-in-2015-research-proofs-or-debunking-you-pick/ https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/documents/gain-of-function.pdf https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/12/feds-lift-gain-function-research-pause-offer-guidance https://poorrichardsnews.com/what-is-gain-of-function-and-why-did-dhs-shut-down-the-coronavirus-research-dr-shi-zhengli/ https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/12/feds-lift-gain-function-research-pause-offer-guidance https://youtu.be/WeD0qhR5XOY https://youtu.be/uZUJhKUbd0k

 

 

BTW, do you think the United Nations is a good trustworthy organization for the well being of all humanity?

 

 

 

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[NotAllThere]

You asked for a point by point rebuttal. I gave you one. But you don't want to engage in discussion. You just want people to agree with you and will attack anyone, quite nastily, who doesn't. This is almost certainly an indication that you only post here to further promote your ideas. 

I hope you have a nice day.  

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, NotAllThere said:

You asked for a point by point rebuttal. I gave you one. But you don't want to engage in discussion

 

 

 

To my understanding I was  engaging in discussion,  I gave you my rebuttal and than asked you  if  you think the United Nations is a good trustworthy organization for the well being of all humanity?

That is not an attack it is engaging in discussion. I was waiting for your response to further discuss.

43 minutes ago, NotAllThere said:

I gave you one

Yes and I gave back to you mine. How is that hostile?

 

 

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[NotAllThere]

Exchanging a bunch of links that are either irrelevant, conspiracy theory websites or just plain quackery, is not reasoned argument. For that reason I will not engage further.

 

Have a nice day.

Edited December 4, 2020 by NotAllThere

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54 minutes ago, NotAllThere said:

This is almost certainly an indication that you only post here to further promote your ideas. 

 

12 minutes ago, NotAllThere said:

Exchanging a bunch of links that are either irrelevant

How do you know they are irrelevant. did you honestly view them before making that comment?

Talking about hostile, your comments to me from the beginning have been hostile  and down out slanderous towards me.

I responded to defend my position and give articles to prove my position.

and again you respond to me in a putdown hostile manner.

12 minutes ago, NotAllThere said:

conspiracy theory websites or just plain quackery, is not reasoned argument

Again that is your quick response to my post? more like a dismissal not a discussion.

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by 1to3

[Marathoner]

You're in the habit of proliferating misinformation about this subject here on the forum, my friend. You've "shared" links to websites created by New Age gurus like David Icke and unverified bloggers who make extraordinary claims without furnishing appropriate evidence, and behaved in a manner inconsistent with discussion. Little wonder why some of us refuse to engage with you. I won't. Something for you to consider. 

[JohnR7]

21 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Has anyone researched to see if there exists vaccine injury compensation?

Vaccines are not an advantage to individuals, they are of advantage to the population. Today they use the word herd instead of the old term population. Individuals are going to be at risk, still the advantage is for the population. Without vaccines 20% of the people would not be alive today. There maybe severe consequences for 3% of the vaccinated population. You balance the three percent against the 20% and there is a clear advantage to the population or the group of people that you vaccinate. If you do not want the vaccine then go to your doctor and ask him to give you a note to excuse you from the vaccine.