The Biblical Writers Have Robbed From More Ancient Stories- Or Have They?

[Starise]

6 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

Are we then stating here, "that true factual events took place but the outside world had began documenting these events according to legend.  And then later on, Hebrew writers began recounting these stories from it being [first hand] experience/knowledge being passed down generation to generation?"

 

There is an obvious viewpoint I always felt both the Holy Bible and Koran makes light to.   It's a [true lineage] account.   It just has places where they include [Special Events] pertaining to their God.   And obviously, the [Creation Account] is the "origins" that lead from Adam to the Messiah.

 

From the "Ancient Literature's" I have examined/read that give accounts from other views to what is found within our Bible, those accounts are story related only.   None of those accounts are about [Lineage].   To me, that's what separates the 2 drastically.   One version is a tale of something that did/did not take place [VS] a People and their [Lineage] and the trials/victories through their God.

Aside from the Bible I've read some of Sitchin's work along with some thoughts from Erich von Däniken . Sitchin dwells almost entirely on ancient Sumeria  as does Erich. Sumerian culture is said to be the earliest recorded culture and a time when knowledge increased. 

I don't consider either of these serious historical authors. They have however, pointed out some anomalies of history that can't be ignored. Many of Sitchin's conclusions are disputed by other experts in Sumerian tablets. In other words there is strong reason to believe Sitchin didn't get it entirely right either with respect to his conclusions or with respect to his interpreting some of the tablet meanings as found. These men call the Sumerian Kings ancient astronauts. I believe these are fallen angels acting as kings. Since that culture mentions a flood, most professors infer the Biblical flood is a copy of the same story. Floods abound in ancient Asian cultures and others. There are differences in these stories though. It isn't really the same story as the Biblical accounts. This is where bias can set in because anyone can say the story was adapted and used by the Hebrews. 

Maybe one big question to ask is, can we confirm a lesser flood around the time of the Sumerians?

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

Aside from the Bible I've read some of Sitchin's work along with some thoughts from Erich von Däniken . Sitchin dwells almost entirely on ancient Sumeria  as does Erich. Sumerian culture is said to be the earliest recorded culture and a time when knowledge increased. 

I don't consider either of these serious historical authors. They have however, pointed out some anomalies of history that can't be ignored. Many of Sitchin's conclusions are disputed by other experts in Sumerian tablets. In other words there is strong reason to believe Sitchin didn't get it entirely right either with respect to his conclusions or with respect to his interpreting some of the tablet meanings as found. These men call the Sumerian Kings ancient astronauts. I believe these are fallen angels acting as kings. Since that culture mentions a flood, most professors infer the Biblical flood is a copy of the same story. Floods abound in ancient Asian cultures and others. There are differences in these stories though. It isn't really the same story as the Biblical accounts. This is where bias can set in because anyone can say the story was adapted and used by the Hebrews. 

Maybe one big question to ask is, can we confirm a lesser flood around the time of the Sumerians?

It's quite possible knowing that Fallen Angels procreated with human women and produced offspring [known as men of renown/wise men] (the Flood was designed to kill this offspring) (but not all perished [Goliath came after the flood and many others]) that these Demonic offspring wrote these original versions in hopes to distort the Biblical Accounts later on after several generations had passed.   We could look at these [astronaut kings] as the Demonic offspring.   This would certainly explain how these stories appeared well before the Biblical Account.

[Michael37]

2 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

It's quite possible knowing that Fallen Angels procreated with human women and produced offspring [known as men of renown/wise men] (the Flood was designed to kill this offspring) (but not all perished [Goliath came after the flood and many others]) that these Demonic offspring wrote these original versions in hopes to distort the Biblical Accounts later on after several generations had passed.   We could look at these [astronaut kings] as the Demonic offspring.   This would certainly explain how these stories appeared well before the Biblical Account.

Good Morning.

I hope you don't mind if I challenge you to produce Scriptures to back up your above hypothesis, kingdombrat.

According to the Bible only eight souls were saved from destruction in the Great Flood, meaning it isn't possible any "demonic offspring", as you put it, came through.

1Pe 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

[Starise]

11 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

It's quite possible knowing that Fallen Angels procreated with human women and produced offspring [known as men of renown/wise men] (the Flood was designed to kill this offspring) (but not all perished [Goliath came after the flood and many others]) that these Demonic offspring wrote these original versions in hopes to distort the Biblical Accounts later on after several generations had passed.   We could look at these [astronaut kings] as the Demonic offspring.   This would certainly explain how these stories appeared well before the Biblical Account.

I suppose anything is possible, there are several blanks to fill in with respect to this. I have poured over material relating to this for quite awhile now and I've heard some pretty crazy stuff. I've even thought some pretty crazy things myself

[Guest kingdombrat]

11 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Good Morning.

I hope you don't mind if I challenge you to produce Scriptures to back up your above hypothesis, kingdombrat.

According to the Bible only eight souls were saved from destruction in the Great Flood, meaning it isn't possible any "demonic offspring", as you put it, came through.

1Pe 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

We know the genetics/lineage of Noah, his wife, and his sons, but we don't know the lineages of the sons wives.

Edited December 8, 2020 by kingdombrat

[Guest kingdombrat]

16 minutes ago, Starise said:

I suppose anything is possible, there are several blanks to fill in with respect to this. I have poured over material relating to this for quite awhile now and I've heard some pretty crazy stuff. I've even thought some pretty crazy things myself

My offerings to this conversation are solely based upon [assumption], although from reading the Bible and having those who taught in Biblical Universities in Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida from my own immediate family, it's easy to come to some of my conclusions.

Edited December 8, 2020 by kingdombrat

[Starise]

On 12/8/2020 at 3:15 PM, Michael37 said:

Good Morning.

I hope you don't mind if I challenge you to produce Scriptures to back up your above hypothesis, kingdombrat.

According to the Bible only eight souls were saved from destruction in the Great Flood, meaning it isn't possible any "demonic offspring", as you put it, came through.

1Pe 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Good Morning,

We don't have definite Biblical foundation for such assertions. We have inferences. I could give you a few of those which probably wouldn't be satisfactory. I believe all Nephilim were killed. Since the parents of the Nephilim were of a different sort, I am led to believe they went transdimensional or left and then came back. As spiritual beings with very high intelligence they weren't necessarily destroyed. If this had been the case they wouldn't be around today continuing to cause harm to us in one way or the other.

That the original angels who sinned with women were detained in some unknown location, I think is pretty clear. There were additional fallen angels though who could have come back after the flood and started the whole thing over again. This was the reason why the Israelites were expressly tasked with completely eliminating the Amalekites and others who were clearly tainted with Nephilim blood. In fact the Bible says things will once again be as they were " in the days of Noah". Atheists like to point to how cruel God was for ordering the executions of entire cities. This is why. If they had been allowed to continue it would have been both spiritual and physical destruction. Similar to stomping out a stubborn fire  the devils lineage just hangs on until the very end. We don't see as many people considered to be giants, but we still have a tainted devils line coming in through various methods I believe.  I believe this is why the Lord said, " you are of you father, the devil". This wasn't always only a spiritual determination but a physical one as well in my opinion. There are vessels to honor and vessels to dishonor.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Starise

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

Sitchin's work

He is a fake. See Dr Heiser's site "Sitchin is wrong". http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

[Michael37]

3 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

We know the genetics/lineage of Noah, his wife, and his sons, but we don't know the lineages of the sons wives.

Patriarch Eutychius of Alexandria, writing in Arabic, also states that Shem's wife was Salit, Ham's Nahlat and Japheth's Arisisah, all daughters of Methuselah. [Wkpd: Wives on Noah's Ark]

I'm actually after hard Scriptural evidence rather than conjecture, but it is a discussion point.

[Guest kingdombrat]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Patriarch Eutychius of Alexandria, writing in Arabic, also states that Shem's wife was Salit, Ham's Nahlat and Japheth's Arisisah, all daughters of Methuselah. [Wkpd: Wives on Noah's Ark]

I'm actually after hard Scriptural evidence rather than conjecture, but it is a discussion point.

We know from the Epistle of Peter those Fallen Angels from Genesis 6 are locked away in chains and complete darkness until Final Judgement.   But, that does not mean after Noah's remnants began to repopulate the Earth [Like Abraham's family] were PAGAN, that other Fallen Angels still roaming Earth did not go to human women and procreated again.   There is a [firm belief] that Goliath was a Nephilim and why I mentioned it.

 

Also:

There are still mentions of sons of God and sons of man after the "Flood."

The only way this would happen could be Noah's offspring committing incest.   There is a thought I copied and will paste that explains this.

 

If the sons of God were human males, this interpretation would imply that God had commanded the sons of Shem and/or Japheth not to have sexual relations with the daughters of Ham and/or Canaan. The violation of this command evidently would have produced a second generation of Nephilim.