enoob57 Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, johnthebaptist said: Yes, we are supposed to let him take care of that. If you kick me in the shin and I kick you back, I think we'd both be disciplined, so I'd be better off not retaliating, anyway. it is the human heart that looks to the desire of harm to my enemy... "Father forgive them they know not what they do" is The Spirit I am to be of.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, enoob57 said: it is the human heart that looks to the desire of harm to my enemy... "Father forgive them they know not what they do" is The Spirit I am to be of.... But then, if I kick you in the shin, you might kick me back so I won't do it again, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdombrat Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 13 hours ago, enoob57 said: Luke 18:8 8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? KJV This verse could be used as an argument for Post Tribulation Rapture! After the revealing of the Antichrist when the world follows him as God, only those truly grounded in the [Faith] which God gave unto them will hold onto that Faith until Christ returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: But then, if I kick you in the shin, you might kick me back so I won't do it again, don't you think? I believe the things God is keeping is of more importance than those He is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, kingdombrat said: This verse could be used as an argument for Post Tribulation Rapture! After the revealing of the Antichrist when the world follows him as God, only those truly grounded in the [Faith] which God gave unto them will hold onto that Faith until Christ returns. even though off topic mid and post view have dative means where Christ said no man knows the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Josheb said: Thanks, but you know it's gonna provoke some, they're going to complain, and you're going to end up messaging me about it despite my conscious effort not to intentionally provoke anyone. Especially if I express disagreement with the disagreements. Numeric balance is relevant, this is my home (for now), the war has already been won.... and the practice of proof-texting is lame and should be repudiated in favor of a more exegetical understanding of whole scripture. It's not personal but it will be perceived that way. Just saying. Chuckle--I get it. I really do. Sometimes--although you and others are very careful--it does devolve to the personal. The thing is--its just not necessary. The TOS is there for very good reason....IMO But, my opinion or yours are irrelevant. The TOS is Worthy scripture. LOL Edited December 12, 2020 by Alive a wee change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2020 This is the second coming of Jesus. Your response to Jesus' return depends on your relationship with Him. It will either be the greatest calamity in all of human history or the fulfillment of the Blessed Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 34 minutes ago, Josheb said: The original question, the post prompting the current conversation cited Luke 18:8 asking, "Will the Son of Man find faith on the earth when he comes?" and given what else the scriptures tell us the question must be answered in the affirmative because 1) there is a pile of scripture telling us there will be faith, and 2) the implications of no-faith are inconsistent with the ontology of God and Christian Christology. Perhaps a Pelagian might answer that question in the negative because they believe faith is a product of human volition but everyone else understand and agrees one way or another that faith comes from God, not man. God would have to be unfaithful to himself for faith not to exist. The righteous God Who commands righteousness would have to actively withhold righteousness and not permit faith. God would necessarily have to...... author sin! "...whatever is not from faith is sin." (Rom. 14:23) "All unrighteousness is sin..." (1 Jn. 5:17) And since these things are impossible in human might we necessarily understand this is all God's doing. I'm not talking about determinism. I'm talking about God being God and consistent with Himself. The Bible is not about us. That's a human-centric view of the Bible. The Bible, from beginning to end, is about Jesus. Answering that question from a human-centric pov can and often does lead to problems. don't you believe that this Rom 10:17 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. KJV is the avenue God installs within the hearts this faith? If so does not the intake of His Word place it upon human responsibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted December 12, 2020 @enoob57look at the greek for that "word" in Rom 10.17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Alive said: @enoob57look at the greek for that "word" in Rom 10.17 what am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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