Hopefully Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2020 @Blood Bought 1953 ok then then it appears I misunderstood you. My apologies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 32 minutes ago, Hopefully said: @Blood Bought 1953 ok then then it appears I misunderstood you. My apologies. No need to apologize..... I just hope it was a blessing to you in some small way , shape or form....God bless you.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.55 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted December 17, 2020 47 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48 “ I am the bread of life. 49 “ Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 “This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 “ I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,045 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 367 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted December 17, 2020 GRACE PLUS NOTHING --- SAYS WHO JOHN 1:17 for the law was given by moses ---BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST--- 1 CORINTHIANS 3:9 for we are laborers together with GOD you are GODS husbandry you are GODS building --3:10-- according to the grace of GOD which is given unto me as a wise masterbuilder I have laid the foundation and another buildeth thereon but let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon *******1 JOHN 1:4 I HAVE NO GREATER JOY THAN TO HEAR THAT MY CHILDREN WALK IN TRUTH******* MATTHEW 7:15 BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS WHICH COME TO YOU IN SHEEPS CLOTHING BUT INWARDLY THEY ARE RAVENING WOLVES TITUS 2:11 for the grace of GOD that bringeth salvation hath appeared unto all men --2:12-- teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live sberly righteously and godly --IN THIS PRESENT WORLD-- LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,079 Content Per Day: 9.76 Reputation: 13,555 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Hopefully said: @Blood Bought 1953 ok then then it appears I misunderstood you. My apologies. Even though I liked the OP I thought it leaned heavily toward making it seem everything is "ok" and we have no responsibility. No he/or she didn't expressly say that. Just seemed to tip that way more and say less about personal responsibilty. I knew what he was saying in a nutshell. Another concern of mine was a statement I've heard many times by well meaning Christians, that when we get to heaven God will look past everything and give us the approval stamp. This is a yes and no answer. YES He will do that. No He doesn't disregard what we've been doing. We will be judged and rewarded based on it. Some will enter"as by fire" other will enter with "Well done good and faithful servant". Both are servants.Some are diligent. Others are lax. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefully Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2020 @Starise thank you for this. I am new here so I don’t know people well enough yet to always understand where they are coming from, but in time I am sure I will. The last thing I want to do is be negative on posts or pick fights. I just have to learn people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,079 Content Per Day: 9.76 Reputation: 13,555 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hopefully said: @Starise thank you for this. I am new here so I don’t know people well enough yet to always understand where they are coming from, but in time I am sure I will. The last thing I want to do is be negative on posts or pick fights. I just have to learn people. No worries. Misunderstanding happen commonly using this type of communication. Speaking of, if I misspell a word and need to go back to correct itI get a little blue dot instead of my normal curor. Does anyone know how to stop it? See pic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,125 Content Per Day: 7.06 Reputation: 13,076 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) It's all a matter of trusting the Lord. We are men living in this flesh, toiling in this world, undergoing trial and tribulation, suffering from various afflictions, and see things darkly knowing only in part. "Trust in the Lord and lean not to your own understanding" is simple to grasp but monumentally difficult for some to broach especially where matters of our own judgment are concerned. @Blood Bought 1953 understands our fallibility and I do as well, a lesson which the Lord Himself imparted to me over the course of many trials and yes, tribulation over the years. I was stubborn, hard-headed, and thought I knew everything. My fall was spectacular and so I learned that we are powerless to save ourselves. We're men and because our frame is dust, our Father sent His only Son so we might be redeemed from the estate we find ourselves thrust into from our mother's womb. Jesus Christ is literally the way, the truth and the life. We aren't. Our father of the flesh, Adam, demonstrated that rather well. Edited December 17, 2020 by Marathoner 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2020 Let's look at conscience. Question: "What is the conscience?" Answer: The conscience is defined as that part of the human psyche that induces mental anguish and feelings of guilt when we violate it and feelings of pleasure and well-being when our actions, thoughts and words are in conformity to our value systems. The Greek word translated “conscience” in all New Testament references is suneidēsis, meaning “moral awareness” or “moral consciousness.” The conscience reacts when one’s actions, thoughts, and words conform to, or are contrary to, a standard of right and wrong. There is no Hebrew term in the Old Testament equivalent to suneidēsis in the New Testament. The lack of a Hebrew word for “conscience” may be due to the Jewish worldview, which was communal rather than individual. The Hebrew considered himself as a member of a covenant community that related corporately to God and His laws, rather than as an individual. In other words, the Hebrew was confident in his own position before God if the Hebrew nation as a whole was in good fellowship with Him. The New Testament concept of conscience is more individual in nature and involves three major truths. First, conscience is a God-given capacity for human beings to exercise self-evaluation. Paul refers several times to his own conscience being “good” or “clear” (Acts 23:1; 24:16; 1 Corinthians 4:4). Paul examined his own words and deeds and found them to be in accordance with his morals and value system, which were, of course, based on God’s standards. His conscience verified the integrity of his heart. Second, the New Testament portrays the conscience as a witness to something. Paul says the Gentiles have consciences that bear witness to the presence of the law of God written on their hearts, even though they did not have the Mosaic Law (Romans 2:14-15). He also appeals to his own conscience as a witness that he speaks the truth (Romans 9:1) and that he has conducted himself in holiness and sincerity in his dealings with men (2 Corinthians 1:12). He also says that his conscience tells him his actions are apparent to both God and the witness of other men’s consciences (2 Corinthians 5:11). Third, the conscience is a servant of the individual’s value system. An immature or weak value system produces a weak conscience, while a fully informed value system produces a strong sense of right and wrong. In the Christian life, one’s conscience can be driven by an inadequate understanding of scriptural truths and can produce feelings of guilt and shame disproportionate to the issues at hand. Maturing in the faith strengthens the conscience. This last function of the conscience is what Paul addresses in his instructions regarding eating food sacrificed to idols. He makes the case that, since idols are not real gods, it makes no difference if food has been sacrificed to them or not. But some in the Corinthian church were weak in their understanding and believed that such gods really existed. These immature believers were horrified at the thought of eating food sacrificed to the gods, because their consciences were informed by erroneous prejudices and superstitious views. Therefore, Paul encourages those more mature in their understanding not to exercise their freedom to eat if it would cause the consciences of their weaker brothers to condemn their actions. The lesson here is that, if our consciences are clear because of mature faith and understanding, we are not to cause those with weaker consciences to stumble by exercising the freedom that comes with a stronger conscience. Another reference to conscience in the New Testament is to a conscience that is “seared” or rendered insensitive as though it had been cauterized with a hot iron (1 Timothy 4:1-2). Such a conscience is hardened and calloused, no longer feeling anything. A person with a seared conscience no longer listens to its promptings, and he can sin with abandon, delude himself into thinking all is well with his soul, and treat others insensitively and without compassion. As Christians, we are to keep our consciences clear by obeying God and keeping our relationship with Him in good standing. We do this by the application of His Word, renewing and softening our hearts continually. We consider those whose consciences are weak, treating them with Christian love and compassion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 17, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, missmuffet said: Let's look at conscience. Question: "What is the conscience?" Answer: The conscience is defined as that part of the human psyche that induces mental anguish and feelings of guilt when we violate it and feelings of pleasure and well-being when our actions, thoughts and words are in conformity to our value systems. The Greek word translated “conscience” in all New Testament references is suneidēsis, meaning “moral awareness” or “moral consciousness.” The conscience reacts when one’s actions, thoughts, and words conform to, or are contrary to, a standard of right and wrong. There is no Hebrew term in the Old Testament equivalent to suneidēsis in the New Testament. The lack of a Hebrew word for “conscience” may be due to the Jewish worldview, which was communal rather than individual. The Hebrew considered himself as a member of a covenant community that related corporately to God and His laws, rather than as an individual. In other words, the Hebrew was confident in his own position before God if the Hebrew nation as a whole was in good fellowship with Him. The New Testament concept of conscience is more individual in nature and involves three major truths. First, conscience is a God-given capacity for human beings to exercise self-evaluation. Paul refers several times to his own conscience being “good” or “clear” (Acts 23:1; 24:16; 1 Corinthians 4:4). Paul examined his own words and deeds and found them to be in accordance with his morals and value system, which were, of course, based on God’s standards. His conscience verified the integrity of his heart. Second, the New Testament portrays the conscience as a witness to something. Paul says the Gentiles have consciences that bear witness to the presence of the law of God written on their hearts, even though they did not have the Mosaic Law (Romans 2:14-15). He also appeals to his own conscience as a witness that he speaks the truth (Romans 9:1) and that he has conducted himself in holiness and sincerity in his dealings with men (2 Corinthians 1:12). He also says that his conscience tells him his actions are apparent to both God and the witness of other men’s consciences (2 Corinthians 5:11). Third, the conscience is a servant of the individual’s value system. An immature or weak value system produces a weak conscience, while a fully informed value system produces a strong sense of right and wrong. In the Christian life, one’s conscience can be driven by an inadequate understanding of scriptural truths and can produce feelings of guilt and shame disproportionate to the issues at hand. Maturing in the faith strengthens the conscience. This last function of the conscience is what Paul addresses in his instructions regarding eating food sacrificed to idols. He makes the case that, since idols are not real gods, it makes no difference if food has been sacrificed to them or not. But some in the Corinthian church were weak in their understanding and believed that such gods really existed. These immature believers were horrified at the thought of eating food sacrificed to the gods, because their consciences were informed by erroneous prejudices and superstitious views. Therefore, Paul encourages those more mature in their understanding not to exercise their freedom to eat if it would cause the consciences of their weaker brothers to condemn their actions. The lesson here is that, if our consciences are clear because of mature faith and understanding, we are not to cause those with weaker consciences to stumble by exercising the freedom that comes with a stronger conscience. Another reference to conscience in the New Testament is to a conscience that is “seared” or rendered insensitive as though it had been cauterized with a hot iron (1 Timothy 4:1-2). Such a conscience is hardened and calloused, no longer feeling anything. A person with a seared conscience no longer listens to its promptings, and he can sin with abandon, delude himself into thinking all is well with his soul, and treat others insensitively and without compassion. As Christians, we are to keep our consciences clear by obeying God and keeping our relationship with Him in good standing. We do this by the application of His Word, renewing and softening our hearts continually. We consider those whose consciences are weak, treating them with Christian love and compassion. https://www.gotquestions.org/conscience.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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